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Ellis's Legacy as a A Coach
Posted on 7/4/15 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 7/4/15 at 5:06 pm
So, if we win tomorrow, Jill Ellis will be the first coach in 16 years to win a Cup.
Will that elevate her to an undeserved level in the hierarchy of US coaches?
I just don't think she's a good coach, and as much as I want to win, I hate she'll be the one to get us there.
Most of the time when a team wins at the highest level, the coach is a respected by his or her peers, the fans and media -- if not loved. Most people think Ellis is a joke.
Will that elevate her to an undeserved level in the hierarchy of US coaches?
I just don't think she's a good coach, and as much as I want to win, I hate she'll be the one to get us there.
Most of the time when a team wins at the highest level, the coach is a respected by his or her peers, the fans and media -- if not loved. Most people think Ellis is a joke.
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Posted on 7/4/15 at 5:53 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
Win back to back WWC.
Posted on 7/4/15 at 7:07 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
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I hate she'll be the one to get us there.
That may be one of the stupidest things that I've ever heard.
Who gives a shite who the coach is?
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Most people think Ellis is a joke.
Not after the changes she has made in the last two matches... The narrative has changed.
This post was edited on 7/4/15 at 7:08 pm
Posted on 7/4/15 at 8:17 pm to Broski
I disagree.
The narrative hasn't changed. It's easy to make changes when basically EVERYONE in the country who knows what they are talking about are calling for the changes.
That being said, I hope we skull drag the Japanese tomorrow.
The narrative hasn't changed. It's easy to make changes when basically EVERYONE in the country who knows what they are talking about are calling for the changes.
That being said, I hope we skull drag the Japanese tomorrow.
Posted on 7/4/15 at 8:20 pm to PTBob
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The narrative hasn't changed.
Yes it has, just listen to all of talking heads.
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It's easy to make changes when basically EVERYONE in the country who knows what they are talking about are calling for the changes.
Sure, everyone was calling for changes, but not many actually said specifically what changes had to be made.
Look, I was hating on Ellis in the early parts, too, but we have to be fair and give her credit that, not only did she make changes, but made changes that worked.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 12:18 am to Broski
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Look, I was hating on Ellis in the early parts, too, but we have to be fair and give her credit that, not only did she make changes, but made changes that worked.
I think it's fair to say she was slow in reacting, and she made "safe" changes. They were changes that I think a lot of people in the media had suggested in roundabout ways. She does deserve credit for admitting defeat on the 4-4-2, but that doesn't absolve her of not seeing the obvious way to field the best, most effective team. She has elevated herself from "hopelessly overmatched" to "somewhat competent".
Posted on 7/5/15 at 6:22 am to DoreonthePlains
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She has elevated herself from "hopelessly overmatched" to "somewhat competent".
Agree.
Her big change was taking out a slow old woman with little remaining game and telling the team to quit kicking it over the top every time you get it.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 6:58 am to PTBob
The narrative totally changed when they stopped going Route 1 with Wambach, that everyone with at least a pea brain could recognize as a hindrance. My question is what took Ellis to put Wambach on the bench?
Posted on 7/5/15 at 7:14 am to EastNastySwag
Yea playing hoofball might be a very bad idea vs Japan
Posted on 7/5/15 at 7:27 am to StraightCashHomey21
I hope Jill Ellis doesn't pull a Greg Ryan. I sincerely hope Jill Ellis resist that temptation to give Wambach that final swan song by starting her. I wouldn't put it past her.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 7:59 am to EastNastySwag
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My question is what took Ellis to put Wambach on the bench?
The missed PK vs. Columbia perhaps?
Posted on 7/5/15 at 10:15 am to EastNastySwag
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My question is what took Ellis to put Wambach on the bench?
Pia saying that is what she would do.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 10:53 am to EastNastySwag
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The narrative totally changed when they stopped going Route 1 with Wambach, that everyone with at least a pea brain could recognize as a hindrance.
Certainly the long ball tactics but perhaps even worse was the unbalanced midfield where everyone attacked haphazardly with seemingly no one having defensive responsibility.
One would think Ellis is English or something.
This post was edited on 7/5/15 at 11:14 am
Posted on 7/5/15 at 6:48 pm to wm72
The way Ellis handled Wambach is how Jurgen should have handled Landon, IMO - allowing him to show on the field that he was no longer capable.
I think he tried to do that - to have Landon's last appearance look like shite against Mexico in April 2014. Then Landon came into pre-WC camp in form and in shape. Jurgen had to cut him before the first friendly, so that his last televised appearance fit the story that he couldn't play anymore.
At least with Abby, everybody got to see it with their own eyes.
With Jurgen, it was clearly a lie. He knew it, we knew it - and he still offered it up (and people accepted it anyway.)
I think he tried to do that - to have Landon's last appearance look like shite against Mexico in April 2014. Then Landon came into pre-WC camp in form and in shape. Jurgen had to cut him before the first friendly, so that his last televised appearance fit the story that he couldn't play anymore.
At least with Abby, everybody got to see it with their own eyes.
With Jurgen, it was clearly a lie. He knew it, we knew it - and he still offered it up (and people accepted it anyway.)
Posted on 7/5/15 at 7:32 pm to Broski
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That may be one of the stupidest things that I've ever heard.
Who gives a shite who the coach is?
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Not after the changes she has made in the last two matches... The narrative has changed.
I agree with you completely, but I may have to bookmark this for later trolling in any potential Jurgen threads for the future. #timmychandlerthecannon
Posted on 7/5/15 at 7:35 pm to Sheep
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With Jurgen, it was clearly a lie. He knew it, we knew it - and he still offered it up (and people accepted it anyway.)
Personally, I believe that Jurgen truly felt like he was in a steep decline due to his performance before camp. I think he called him in to play nice, but once he came in in LandyCup mode, he panicked and cut him because he was never in the plans. fricked up, but it's the way things went down.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 7:42 pm to Dijkstra
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Personally, I believe that Jurgen truly felt like he was in a steep decline due to his performance before camp. I think he called him in to play nice, but once he came in in LandyCup mode, he panicked and cut him because he was never in the plans. fricked up, but it's the way things went down.
I agree with the general sentiment - though I think Jurgen believed Landon to be a quitter and didn't want him to be a part of the team. He did everything he could to push him away (kept him out of qualifiers, kept him out of the Centennial game, made him lead a B team in the 2013 Gold Cup) and Landon just ate the shite sandwich and showed up.
That's been my biggest issue with the whole thing - Jurgen didn't have the stones (or Sunil wouldn't let him) to say that Landon was a quitter and wasn't welcome. Instead, he tried to float a bunch of bullshite that Landon couldn't play anymore.
I'd guess that Ellis doesn't like Wambach and the sway she holds over the team - but she just let her play her way out of the lineup.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 7:52 pm to wm72
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One would think Ellis is English or something
ISWYDT
Posted on 7/5/15 at 8:08 pm to Sheep
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I'd guess that Ellis doesn't like Wambach and the sway she holds over the team - but she just let her play her way out of the lineup.
I am fairly tempted to agree. Sometimes as the coach you have to let the living legend show on the field they aren't what they used to be. Wambach has been huge for the USWNT over the years but clearly her best years are well behind her.
You let her play herself off the field, bring her in at the very end of games to get some garbage time, and still pull out the win. Most of the very best athletes hang on a season or two longer then they should. A good coach works around that.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 8:34 am to Arksulli
Maybe Ellis had a sit down with Wambach and said we need to start other players to make us a better team. Maybe Wambach is the ultimate team player and went to the coach and said I am not getting the job done, and its time for someone else to start in my place. One thing that struck me about the USWNT is there didn't really seem to be a real diva that stuck out. You could make an argument about Solo and all her off the field problems, but it was all business with her during the World Cup. I think Ellis' legacy is one where she oversaw a changing of the guard between the established stalwarts of the team and the new younger players that are establishing themselves as the players of the future. That in itself is a tricky situation. Ellis' move of putting Wambach and Rampone in together at the end, while merely symbolic, I'm sure did a lot to show all the players that everyone on the team played an important roll.
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