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Donovan: Does he have a point or sour grapes?
Posted on 7/2/14 at 9:47 pm
Posted on 7/2/14 at 9:47 pm
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Controversially left off the U.S. roster, Donovan explained he was disappointed in the setup of Klinsmann, who moved away from the passing, attacking soccer that the team had been developing leading up to the 2014 World Cup.
“It’s certainly a missed opportunity,” he said following a training session with the LA Galaxy on Wednesday. “The thought of having a game Saturday – the day after the Fourth of July, against [Lionel] Messi and Argentina, with what was already a swelling audience – would have been incredible.
“I think we’re all disappointed in what happened yesterday. I think the most disappointing is we didn’t seem like we gave it a real effort, from a tactical standpoint. I thought the guys did everything they could, they did everything that was asked of them, but I don’t think we were set up to succeed yesterday, and that was tough to watch.”
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He continued: “It’s a results-oriented business, and so, results-wise, you can hold your head high,” he said. “If you really look at the performances, there were some good performances by guys, some not-so-good performances by guys. As a whole, I think tactically, the team was not set up to succeed.
“They were set up in a way that was opposite from what they’ve been the past couple years, which is opening up, passing, attacking – trying to do that. And the team’s been successful that way. Why they decided to switch that in the World Cup, none of us will know. From a playing standpoint, I think the guys will probably be disappointed in the way things went.”
Donovan was quick to acknowledge, however, that “everybody’s an expert when they’re watching at home.”
“Hindsight is 20/20, so in hindsight you would say we should’ve been more attacking,” he said. “Maybe if we had been more attacking, we would have gotten four counterattack goals scored against us. So you never know. … But my feeling as a player, if I’m in that locker room before that game – before the Germany game, before the Belgium game – and the coach walked in and said we’re playing a 4-5-1 and Clint [Dempsey] is up top by himself, I would have been disappointed. Because I would have said let’s go for it. I want a chance to go for it and try to win the game.”
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Posted on 7/2/14 at 9:47 pm to tduecen
I think he's just speaking his mind and telling the truth
Posted on 7/2/14 at 9:50 pm to tduecen
He makes a valid point. Since Klinsmann has taken over they have played much better when being positive. When they go into a shell, or park the bus, the quality of play drops noticeably.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 9:54 pm to RB10
yeah but the only 2 goals were scored against us after we lost possession and got countered with too many guys far up
so it's not like we didn't have precedent for why it was scary
so it's not like we didn't have precedent for why it was scary
Posted on 7/2/14 at 9:58 pm to tduecen
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“I think we’re all disappointed in what happened yesterday. I think the most disappointing is we didn’t seem like we gave it a real effort, from a tactical standpoint. I thought the guys did everything they could, they did everything that was asked of them, but I don’t think we were set up to succeed yesterday, and that was tough to watch.”
What a bunch of bullshite. Donovan has soured his legacy with anyone who doesnt think he shits rainbows.
counter point
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And it left this World Cup on coach Jurgen Klinsmann’s terms – playing the potent Red Devils straight up, taking chances and receiving key contributions from some of the manager’s more scrutinized selections. The U.S. opened up the game despite Belgium’s advantage in depth and talent, survived thanks to a performance for the ages from goalkeeper Tim Howard and nearly forced a penalty kick shootout with a late, desperate surge.
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In fact, Cameron appeared to play a freer, more advanced role than Beckerman, which opened up the midfield to traffic in both directions. In addition, outside backs DaMarcus Beasley and Fabian Johnson were given the freedom to bomb forward
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“We all saw the Germany match. We didn’t come out and really go after them. We wanted to make sure we gave them a game and make sure that we really went for it and I think that’s exactly what we did,” Besler said. “We’re going to hold our heads high and hold our chest out because we're proud of what we did.”
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“We wanted to step out and be aggressive and close down and go forward and make chances and see if we can now tilt the bar in our favor,” Bradley said. “I think that’s part of, now, the progression for us, that now you’re able to play games like this. Regardless of who you play against, regardless of the situation, of the pressure, and be able to play for it -- to play on even terms. And I think over the course of four games at this World Cup we were able to do that.
But I'm sure Bradley is wrong and sour-arse Donovan is right.
This post was edited on 7/2/14 at 10:01 pm
Posted on 7/2/14 at 9:58 pm to tduecen
Well he's right and wrong imo.
He says...
Tactically we were set up to succeed it just wasn't the...
...the crux here though is that Belgium, Ghana, Germany, and Portugal are not El Salvador, Cuba, Honduras etc...
Had we tried to play that way...
Fact of the matter is we aren't good enough to win pretty so JK did what any good manager would do and tried to give his team the best chance to win. As Donovan said it's disappointing but it's just the reality of our situation right now.
He says...
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I think tactically, the team was not set up to succeed.
Tactically we were set up to succeed it just wasn't the...
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passing, attacking soccer that the team had been developing leading up to the 2014 World Cup.
...the crux here though is that Belgium, Ghana, Germany, and Portugal are not El Salvador, Cuba, Honduras etc...
Had we tried to play that way...
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we would have gotten four counterattack goals scored against us
Fact of the matter is we aren't good enough to win pretty so JK did what any good manager would do and tried to give his team the best chance to win. As Donovan said it's disappointing but it's just the reality of our situation right now.
This post was edited on 7/2/14 at 9:59 pm
Posted on 7/2/14 at 10:00 pm to RandySavage
Honestly, I don't think Klinsmann came in to the WC intending to play so defensively. Once Jozy went down he had to change his entire strategy and the only way the US could get out of the group was to grind it out. I think he had every intention of playing the same game, tactically, that they did during qualifying. Until Jozy went down.
This post was edited on 7/2/14 at 10:02 pm
Posted on 7/2/14 at 10:02 pm to RB10
Which is another thing. I keep seeing all this about Jozy...
Were we really coming into the WC with our entire strategy based on a guy coming off a historically bad season in England and who had done almost nothing for the national team until the very last warm up match? Our only plan B was to drop into that kind of defensive shell? If so, am I the only who sees a problem there?
Were we really coming into the WC with our entire strategy based on a guy coming off a historically bad season in England and who had done almost nothing for the national team until the very last warm up match? Our only plan B was to drop into that kind of defensive shell? If so, am I the only who sees a problem there?
This post was edited on 7/2/14 at 10:03 pm
Posted on 7/2/14 at 10:02 pm to tduecen
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“I think we’re all disappointed in what happened yesterday. I think the most disappointing is we didn’t seem like we gave it a real effort, from a tactical standpoint. I thought the guys did everything they could, they did everything that was asked of them, but I don’t think we were set up to succeed yesterday, and that was tough to watch.”
Major sour grapes.
The loss of Altidore completely changed our approach and our ability to hold up top.
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But my feeling as a player, if I’m in that locker room before that game – before the Germany game, before the Belgium game – and the coach walked in and said we’re playing a 4-5-1 and Clint [Dempsey] is up top by himself, I would have been disappointed.
Was not Klinnsman's original plan.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 10:06 pm to RandySavage
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Which is another thing. I keep seeing all this about Jozy...
Were we really coming into the WC with our entire strategy based on a guy coming off a historically bad season in England and who had done almost nothing for the national team until the very last warm up match? Our only plan B was to drop into that kind of defensive shell? If so, am I the only who sees a problem there?
I agree with this, which makes not picking someone with at least a similar skillset all the more mind boggling.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 10:06 pm to RandySavage
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Were we really coming into the WC with our entire strategy based on a guy coming off a historically bad season in England and who had done almost nothing for the national team until the very last warm up match?
The thing about Jozy being in the lineup is, as weird as this sounds since he's a striker, he wasn't in there to just score goals. What he did was allow Dempsey to sit a little bit deeper and be the playmaker, which is where he is at his best.
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Our only plan B was to drop into that kind of defensive shell?
This is the most disappointing part about it, but we all knew if Jozy went down the US was going to be in trouble.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 10:08 pm to Smoke7024
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I agree with this, which makes not picking someone with at least a similar skillset all the more mind boggling.
There is no player in the pool with a similar skill set. Jozy is, literally, the only player the US couldn't replace tactically.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 10:09 pm to Freauxzen
Normally I'm inclined to agree with Donovan's usual candidness, but I think Klinsmann was stuck in the 4-5-1 due to Jozy's injury.
I still would have liked to have seen a 4-4-2 more often, as I think that plays to our strengths better.
I still would have liked to have seen a 4-4-2 more often, as I think that plays to our strengths better.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 10:09 pm to RB10
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The thing about Jozy being in the lineup is, as weird as this sounds since he's a striker, he wasn't in there to just score goals. What he did was allow Dempsey to sit a little bit deeper and be the playmaker, which is where he is at his best.
And it allows Bradley the ability to press forward more as well.
It's not like the strategy is built around Jozy, but it is built around how his skillset lets others work at their peak as well.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 10:10 pm to RB10
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I agree with this, which makes not picking someone with at least a similar skillset all the more mind boggling.
There is no player in the pool with a similar skill set. Jozy is, literally, the only player the US couldn't replace tactically.
This. Boyd probably comes the closest, but not close enough to matter in the cup.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 10:11 pm to Freauxzen
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It's not like the strategy is built around Jozy, but it is built around how his skillset lets others work at their peak as well.
This is it. What Jozy did was put the rest of the players in a position that they could be at their best. Without him Clint and Bradley both had to take on a completely different role.
This post was edited on 7/2/14 at 10:12 pm
Posted on 7/2/14 at 10:13 pm to Freauxzen
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This. Boyd probably comes the closest, but not close enough to matter in the cup.
I understand what you're saying, but to me it just seems illogical to take Wondo and Bacon, when someone like Jozy is so important. I'd want to at least have the option to try and do something similar to what we have been doing by putting Boyd up top.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 10:30 pm to uway
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But I'm sure Bradley is wrong and sour-arse Donovan is right.
You seem angry or "sour-arse"
Posted on 7/2/14 at 10:37 pm to RB10
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Jozy is, literally, the only player the US couldn't replace tactically.
Can Boyd really not play with his back toward goal?
Posted on 7/2/14 at 10:38 pm to tduecen
Donovan has handled his exclusion in a classy way. The commercial he did poking fun at himself, during the ESPN screen time, etc.
The media is trying the draw stuff out of him now to make a story now that we are out of the WC - listen to the Dan Patrick interview today - Cakes dodges all the questions regarding his potential impact.
Donovan is a great American. I LOL at anyone bashing Cakes - he has handled this very well.
The media is trying the draw stuff out of him now to make a story now that we are out of the WC - listen to the Dan Patrick interview today - Cakes dodges all the questions regarding his potential impact.
Donovan is a great American. I LOL at anyone bashing Cakes - he has handled this very well.
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