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Posted on 7/2/14 at 12:58 pm
Posted by cheesesteak501
The South
Member since Mar 2014
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Posted on 7/2/14 at 12:58 pm
Living in America I would think 99% of MLS fans would rather have USA win a World Cup than their respective club winning it all. But do y'all think that's the case in all countries. Just curious because I saw an interview of a west ham fan years ago saying he'd rather have his club win it all than England.
Posted by GeauxColonels
Tottenham Fan | LSU Fan
Member since Oct 2009
25604 posts
Posted on 7/2/14 at 12:59 pm to
I don't think that West Ham fan is in the minority. They LOVE the club teams there immensely.
Posted by thesoccerfanjax
Member since Nov 2013
6128 posts
Posted on 7/2/14 at 1:00 pm to
Country for sure.


I always wondered how united could England really be with all the bitter rivalries and living in such close quarters. For both players and fans. I wonder if it's hindered them and if so, how much.
Posted by hendersonshands
Univ. of Louisiana Ragin Cajuns
Member since Oct 2007
160104 posts
Posted on 7/2/14 at 1:00 pm to
Country all the way for me but some of the more hardcore MLS fans may disagree.
Posted by cheesesteak501
The South
Member since Mar 2014
3152 posts
Posted on 7/2/14 at 1:01 pm to
Ya, and I know it's just a movie, but green street hooligans make them look crazy for their club.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125393 posts
Posted on 7/2/14 at 1:02 pm to
Country

Ive seen DC United win the MLS Cup in person already my life is almost complete.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125393 posts
Posted on 7/2/14 at 1:04 pm to
quote:

but green street hooligans make them look crazy for their club.



lulz

Green Street is disney movie compared to Football Factory
Posted by SabiDojo
Open to any suggestions.
Member since Nov 2010
83927 posts
Posted on 7/2/14 at 1:05 pm to
Are there really MLS fans out there who would rather win the MLS Cup rather than the World Cup?
Posted by wm72
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2010
7797 posts
Posted on 7/2/14 at 1:07 pm to

As a dual citizen I'm a big fan of both the US and Italian NTs however it's no question that I'd rather see As Roma win a Scudetto or CL title than any WC run.

A majority of Italian fans would rather see their club win than the Italian NT (which some have mixed feelings about as they're also so Juventus heavy). But most Italian fans also, unlike some other countries and certainly the US, don't want any other Italian club team to do well in CL/EL either.


You're right that in the USA it's usually the opposite with NT vs club team support.

Posted by thesoccerfanjax
Member since Nov 2013
6128 posts
Posted on 7/2/14 at 1:09 pm to
quote:

Are there really MLS fans out there who would rather win the MLS Cup rather than the World Cup?


Doubt it.

Maybe some hipster Sounders fans who are too hipster for the USMNT anyways.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125393 posts
Posted on 7/2/14 at 1:10 pm to
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wm72


You just explained tribalism when it comes to supporting clubs
Posted by SabiDojo
Open to any suggestions.
Member since Nov 2010
83927 posts
Posted on 7/2/14 at 1:11 pm to
Do you speak Italian? I started learning a couple of years ago, and I'm pretty strong with it now. It sucks that I can't find anyone to speak it with besides my dad, though. I go online to Italian news sites, but I was wondering if you know of any other way for me to get more exposure to it.

Sorry for the hijack.
Posted by SportsGuyNOLA
New Orleans, LA
Member since May 2014
16953 posts
Posted on 7/2/14 at 1:17 pm to
In England everyone loves their club immensely, and can rattle off the years of their trophies.

But EVERYONE knows and loves 1966.

I'd say country first.
Posted by wm72
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2010
7797 posts
Posted on 7/2/14 at 1:37 pm to
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Do you speak Italian?


I lived in Italy constantly for about 12 years and still travel back and forth from work so I speak Italian well, though with a pretty strong accent.

I read and write fluently since I did translation work for a while.

As far as learning, reading the news and, even more so, watching movies helps. But, from my experience, you really just have to be absolutely forced to speak it all the time.

This post was edited on 7/2/14 at 1:38 pm
Posted by engvol
england
Member since Sep 2009
5054 posts
Posted on 7/2/14 at 1:41 pm to
I think Id have a heart attack if England won the WC.

If Villa won the premiership its because we have been bought by some rich oil tycoon, have invested loads and Id be coming to expect it.

Country>Club, but only just, and thats probably because Im still riding the nationalism wave
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
Member since Jan 2007
155364 posts
Posted on 7/2/14 at 1:57 pm to
easy answer if your club sucks moose cock
Posted by PeepleHeppinBidness
Manchester United Fan
Member since Oct 2013
3553 posts
Posted on 7/2/14 at 2:03 pm to
Country > Club. I am an American fan of United and have been fortunate to see my club win trophies. At this point, the US winning the world cup is something mythical and unattainable. If I were to witness the US win the WC, the only thing to do would be to just blow my load.

As for many actual Mancs, there is no debate that country is greater than club. In fact, there is a great deal of friction between many United fans and the Ingerland national team. I have copied and pasted a section from a popular United blog, the Republik of Mancunia, explaining the name choice and the sources of discontent:

What’s in a name?

“Republik of Mancunia” is a term used by Manchester United fans as a way of expressing Mancunian pride. It also is used by some to show their apathy towards the England National Football Team.

The “Republik of Mancunia” attitude developed for several reasons. Firstly, the idea of Mancunian pride, which can be seen in other areas of culture associated with Manchester, not just football. Also, because Manchester United fans feel as though the players and fans of their club are treated unfairly by the English press and English football fans, now, and in the past. To call themselves Mancunian, and claim they are from the “Republik of Mancunia”, and not English, is showing this displeasure with what they regard unfair treatment.

It is well documented that ‘Stand up if you hate Man U’ used to do the rounds at Wembley, when the likes of David Beckham, Gary Neville, Paul Scholes and Nicky Butt were all on the field.

A “Republik of Mancunia” banner, written in faux Cyrillic, can be seen at Old Trafford, at the Stretford End, the most vocal area in the stadium. This is used because one of Manchester United fans’ nicknames is The “Red Army” and their “firm” is also known by this name, as well as it being the name of the army of the Soviet Union.

Also, “Republik of Mancunia” can refer to a “nation” of Manchester United-focused people. A Republik is also associated with ideas on anti-monarchy. Therefore, the Republik of Mancunia is a separation between these people, and England.

Several chants have arisen from this movement. A popular chant is “We all agree United are better than England.” Another chant is in reference to the treatment David Beckham received after returning from the 1998 World Cup. Effigies of our player were burnt in the capital whilst United fans offered him unwavering support. When Beckham later scored a last minute winner against Greece to give England entry to the next World Cup, the chant “Did you cheer when Beckham scored?” was born and sung to opposition fans during league matches.

Manchester United midfielder, Paul Scholes is an apparent follower of this thinking. Despite being one of the most naturally gifted midfielders to ever play for England, he retired from the national side aged 30, since which he has been asked repeatedly to rethink his decision. “I decided to call it a day with England because it just wasn’t any fun any more. I don’t know why it became like that, I’d just stopped enjoying it,” explained Scholes. “I like being at home as well there was an awful lot of time away from home and my family and for me there’s nowhere better than Manchester.”

United captain, Gary Neville, has echoed the same sentiments when talking about returning from injury. “Getting back into the England squad is not something that I think about,” he said in November 2007. “Playing for United has always been the most important thing for me and remains so. If England recognition comes, that’s a bonus – but it’s not something that I think about too much. I’ve always considered it an extension to playing for United.”

The Republik of Mancunia – a Manchester United blog – is firmly of the belief UNITED > England.
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
Member since Jan 2007
155364 posts
Posted on 7/2/14 at 2:05 pm to
any non-man utd england fan that says they didnt cheer when becks scored that goal aginst greece is a lying sack of shite
This post was edited on 7/2/14 at 2:11 pm
Posted by ScoopAndScore
baton rouge
Member since Oct 2008
11947 posts
Posted on 7/2/14 at 2:10 pm to
I'd prefer the Pels win an NBA championship than team USA win Olympic gold or a World Basketball Championship. So yea, I can see how it would work like that in England and some other countries with soccer.
Posted by SaintTepito
Member since Jun 2014
43 posts
Posted on 7/2/14 at 2:11 pm to
Country and it's not even close.
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