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re: CL Matchday | 5/6/15 | Even Rode is hurt edition
Posted on 5/6/15 at 7:07 pm to wm72
Posted on 5/6/15 at 7:07 pm to wm72
Well, they switched it up after like 20 minutes or so. I think the idea was to suckerpunch them for a goal and it should have happened but Lewandowski blew a beautiful opportunity. I thought Bayern was pretty good for about 70 minutes. They don't have any players who make a defense shite themselves when Robben is out.
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Posted on 5/6/15 at 7:13 pm to hendersonshands
Oh shocker Neuer beaten near post in a huge match.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 7:19 pm to RandySavage
Must be on pins and needles waiting for Chelsea's semifinal.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 7:19 pm to drockw1
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Selling out for the away goal at the end was the nail in the coffin though. 2-0 was doable, 3-0 most likely isn't.
Pep and Arsene, good pair those two.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 7:20 pm to wm72
Without Messi Pep is like a 14 inch dong that can't get hard.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 7:23 pm to hendersonshands
Congrats, you guys gonna hang a semifinal banner at the Allianz? Maybe you can put it by this one...
This post was edited on 5/6/15 at 7:24 pm
Posted on 5/6/15 at 8:44 pm to hendersonshands
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Well, they switched it up after like 20 minutes or so. I think the idea was to suckerpunch them for a goal and it should have happened but Lewandowski blew a beautiful opportunity.
I agree about it being the plan to catch Barca off guard with the back three.
My point was more that both teams finishing their good chances in those first 15 minutes should have led to a 3-1 or 4-1 deficit.
Although I'm trying to block it from my memory, those first 15 minutes reminded me of Garcia's "brave" tactics against Bayern in group stage. After that match, many kept pointing to the 2-3 miraculous saves from Neuer in the opening 20 minutes when Roma sent every player and their agents forward against Bayern's pressure as a validation of what was really Russian Roulette with five of six chambers loaded.
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I thought Bayern was pretty good for about 70 minutes.
I agree that they played well, though a lot better after the change from the "brave" tactics when it seemed clear that 0-0 became the aim and the defensive method was to use time making Barca chase the ball until the final third without sending any supporting players forward when the ball made it there.
I guess it's just Guardiola adapting his tactics to defend with the quick pressure, quick starts out of the back and possession.
However, I still think it's a valid criticism that sides like Valencia or Sevilla have recently "defended" Barca just as well in the end while also actually looking much more potent on the counter attack by doing nothing "fancy" at all.
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They don't have any players who make a defense shite themselves when Robben is out.
Yeah, this, in fairness to Guardiola is pretty true. He and/or Ribery getting half the defense scrambling and then Mueller/Lewandowski et al having all that space is what's really terrifying in defending Bayern. Again, thinking of Roma/Bayern, no matter who ended up scoring/assisting, the dominoes always started falling from one of those two.
Anyway, I really wasn't trying to be too critical just that I thought this match would likely end about 3-1 with all the missing players for Bayern but that Bayern would certainly carve out a lot more clear chances on counters.
This post was edited on 5/6/15 at 9:41 pm
Posted on 5/6/15 at 9:19 pm to wm72
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However, I still think it's a valid criticism that sides like Valencia or Sevilla have recently "defended" Barca just as well in the end while also actually looking much more potent on the counter attack by doing nothing "fancy" at all.
Yeah I agree. The suicidal strategy in the first 20 minutes should have created a deficit. And Bayern constantly made wrong decisions with the ball on set pieces and in the final third. Alonso's two free kicks, Boateng's little cross, a couple of Lewandowski's decisions, that Thiago half shot/cross among others. I was disappointed by the decision making by Bayern to be honest. Barca was there to be broken down with perhaps a bit more patience.
This post was edited on 5/6/15 at 9:20 pm
Posted on 5/6/15 at 9:23 pm to hendersonshands
Posted on 5/6/15 at 9:26 pm to crazy4lsu
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The suicidal strategy in the first 20 minutes
It was a ballsy strategy, and had the goal come, we´d have 200 posts on Guardiola´s genius.
I think it was a very good idea, given the circumstances.
The third goal really put what looks to be a serious damper on this tie being turned around.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 9:29 pm to uway
Dumbass with the "who" comment. Even my mom knows who messi is.. That homo thinks he is so edgy
Posted on 5/6/15 at 10:20 pm to wm72
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Anyway, I really wasn't trying to be too critical just that I thought this match would likely end about 3-1 with all the missing players for Bayern but that Bayern would certainly carve out a lot more clear chances on counters.
Naw, I think it's fair. I just really think Pep didn't have much of a choice other than to go to for it. Yeah Neuer made a couple of incredible saves, but he's part of the reason why you can try something like that. If Hans-Jorg Bütt was in goal, you'd probably just sit back and hope for 0-0 but with Neuer, you can feel a little better about it. Müller played an inch perfect pass to Lewandowski who gets paid a stupid about of money to finish that chance - if he finishes it, Pep's a genius. Even if it finishes 2-1 Barca after that, he still played his cards right.
I think the biggest mistake was pushing for an away goal when down 2-0.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 11:07 pm to Dandy Lion
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It was a ballsy strategy, and had the goal come, we´d have 200 posts on Guardiola´s genius.
While true, he was still risking the whole tie to try to get the goal. But what I think it did was to frazzle his own team. Some people thought Bayern played well. I disagree. They made poor decision's with the ball in the final third time and again. It's not as if Barca is some defensive juggernaut. The game is different if Munich didn't seem so impatient in the final third. They wasted set piece after set piece, and refused to impose their superior physicality onto Barca.
Posted on 5/7/15 at 2:12 am to RandySavage
God damn...I thought I was living in the past with the Pique own goal reference...
We get it, you won in Munich, congrats...after which we won the treble. Tell me about your European history since..
How'd that PSG thing turn out?
We get it, you won in Munich, congrats...after which we won the treble. Tell me about your European history since..
How'd that PSG thing turn out?
Posted on 5/7/15 at 3:08 am to drockw1
Posted on 5/7/15 at 8:07 am to crazy4lsu
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While true, he was still risking the whole tie to try to get the goal. But what I think it did was to frazzle his own team. Some people thought Bayern played well. I disagree. They made poor decision's with the ball in the final third time and again. It's not as if Barca is some defensive juggernaut. The game is different if Munich didn't seem so impatient in the final third. They wasted set piece after set piece, and refused to impose their superior physicality onto Barca.
Bayern just doesn't have that player who breaks down a defense in the final 3rd if Robbery is out. Fat Mario can and should but he doesn't. Thiago is very good at beating his man off the dribble but he's not always the most effective around the 18. Without Robben, Ribery, and Alaba things get pretty shaky in the offensive 3rd. Muller is a great player but he'll kill you more with genius runs and sheer determination -- which almost got Bayern an away goal.
They looked impatient because they were out of options. Personally, I think they should have tried to isolate Pique more often.
Bayern is going to need to buy a more direct player this summer.
Posted on 5/7/15 at 8:23 am to hendersonshands
Personally, it seemed that Pep's tactics reflected a serious lack of confidence in his team. Having little faith in his team to play with Barca, he resorted to unfamiliar tactics which took his team out of its comfort zone. I turned the game on about 10 minutes in and was floored by the amount of space on the field. So different from what you normally see out of a Pep side. Bayern seemed to exhibit an attitude of desperation in getting the away goal, rather than letting it flow from the natural progression of play.
His attitude could have been due to injuries, could have been out of too vast a respect for Barca. Either way, I think he would have come off better if he set up more traditionally and focused on his usual tactics of ball possession and patience in the final third. An away goal is important, of course. But not worth sacrificing the entire tie over. I know he switched the formation after 20 minutes or so. However, the attitude seemed to linger with the players. The initial change in tactics seemed sort of desperate, imo. Of course, I say this with the benefit of hindsight. As someone else said, if it works, he comes off as a genius, so ...
His attitude could have been due to injuries, could have been out of too vast a respect for Barca. Either way, I think he would have come off better if he set up more traditionally and focused on his usual tactics of ball possession and patience in the final third. An away goal is important, of course. But not worth sacrificing the entire tie over. I know he switched the formation after 20 minutes or so. However, the attitude seemed to linger with the players. The initial change in tactics seemed sort of desperate, imo. Of course, I say this with the benefit of hindsight. As someone else said, if it works, he comes off as a genius, so ...
This post was edited on 5/7/15 at 8:25 am
Posted on 5/7/15 at 8:51 am to PeepleHeppinBidness
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His attitude could have been due to injuries, could have been out of too vast a respect for Barca
Both.
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he would have come off better if he set up more traditionally and focused on his usual tactics of ball possession and patience in the final third.
They could only pull a Mourinho (bunker, waste time, and hope for the stars to align).
Posted on 5/7/15 at 9:08 am to Dandy Lion
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They could only pull a Mourinho (bunker, waste time, and hope for the stars to align)
True, but I think Bayern have a greater ability to work the ball and find openings as compared to a Mourinho-led Chelsea side. They wouldn't have to just park the bus and wait for a free kick opportunity or fluke counter. But certainly would have to set up more defensively than normal, being away from home.
Posted on 5/7/15 at 9:38 am to Dandy Lion
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They could only pull a Mourinho (bunker, waste time, and hope for the stars to align).
I didn't get to pay as much attention to the game that I would have liked to, but I felt like Bayern took some chances building out of the back, which led to Bayern turning the ball over and Barca's front three running against a completely exposed Bayern backline. You can stay compact and make sure that you don't give the ball away in stupid fricking positions without deploying Pepe as your most advanced midfielder.
As mentioned, the first 15 minutes were crazy and almost looked like Rayo v. Barca. Pep at least had a strategy other than "defense is boring" and the squad to partially back it up.
This post was edited on 5/7/15 at 10:04 am
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