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Card-Happy Referees in Big Games
Posted by mynamebowl on 4/20/17 at 6:04 pm12
Sorry for the long post in advance but I would like to hear some of your guys viewpoints on this so here goes..
I've noticed a trend and in my mind it's not a good one - It seems to me that in Spain, Italy, France, and to some extent Germany, the style of officiating doesn't translate well to Champions League soccer.
There are some obvious differences in the way matches are officiated among the different major leagues. The referees in the Premier League seem to allow more physical play than their counterparts in the other big leagues. Refs from other leagues typically call more ticky tack fouls and tend to be more likely to give out a card or fall for a player overreaction or dive. These differences are ok in my mind. To each their own and by that I mean if this refereeing style is uniform across one league, the players know whats up and adjust their games to play within the rules. But when some of these refs are officiating Champions League matches, the carryover of that style of officiating results in varying levels of what is acceptable as a card-worthy offense. In my opinion, the English style of officiating makes for better games. There are less stoppages, better match flow and most importantly, less frivolous cards which totally change results and end up ruining what would be great 2-leg tournament soccer play.
A great example of a way I think a match should be officiated was this past weekends Manchester United/Chelsea game. The ref in charge of that one - I can't think of his name - but he's the bald-headed, dumpy dude. i thought he was fantastic and it resulted in a great game.
Both legs of the Bayern-Real Madrid are examples of the opposite of that. Cards are given out early forcing players (except for Vidal and Casemiro, of course) to be more apprehensive. After that, it turns the rest of regular and then possibly extra time into an exercise in anxiety from a fan perspective. I find myself just sitting there waiting for another player to exaggerate an iffy foul or blatantly dive, only to then be rewarded by the sending off of an opposing player. IMO it ruins what should be simply a couple of the best teams in the world battling it out to advance. It's quite frustrating.
My question is this: How can this be fixed? Why aren't there more strict rules forcing referees to conform their style so that the officiating will be more consistent across the board for a tournament involving different teams from different leagues?
I've noticed a trend and in my mind it's not a good one - It seems to me that in Spain, Italy, France, and to some extent Germany, the style of officiating doesn't translate well to Champions League soccer.
There are some obvious differences in the way matches are officiated among the different major leagues. The referees in the Premier League seem to allow more physical play than their counterparts in the other big leagues. Refs from other leagues typically call more ticky tack fouls and tend to be more likely to give out a card or fall for a player overreaction or dive. These differences are ok in my mind. To each their own and by that I mean if this refereeing style is uniform across one league, the players know whats up and adjust their games to play within the rules. But when some of these refs are officiating Champions League matches, the carryover of that style of officiating results in varying levels of what is acceptable as a card-worthy offense. In my opinion, the English style of officiating makes for better games. There are less stoppages, better match flow and most importantly, less frivolous cards which totally change results and end up ruining what would be great 2-leg tournament soccer play.
A great example of a way I think a match should be officiated was this past weekends Manchester United/Chelsea game. The ref in charge of that one - I can't think of his name - but he's the bald-headed, dumpy dude. i thought he was fantastic and it resulted in a great game.
Both legs of the Bayern-Real Madrid are examples of the opposite of that. Cards are given out early forcing players (except for Vidal and Casemiro, of course) to be more apprehensive. After that, it turns the rest of regular and then possibly extra time into an exercise in anxiety from a fan perspective. I find myself just sitting there waiting for another player to exaggerate an iffy foul or blatantly dive, only to then be rewarded by the sending off of an opposing player. IMO it ruins what should be simply a couple of the best teams in the world battling it out to advance. It's quite frustrating.
My question is this: How can this be fixed? Why aren't there more strict rules forcing referees to conform their style so that the officiating will be more consistent across the board for a tournament involving different teams from different leagues?
re: Card-Happy Referees in Big GamesPosted by Draconian Sanctions on 4/20/17 at 6:10 pm to mynamebowl
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How can this be fixed?
Serious retrospective punishments for diving and a 2nd on field referee
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Why aren't there more strict rules forcing referees to conform their style so that the officiating will be more consistent across the board for a tournament involving different teams from different leagues?
This is a pipe dream. There will always be differences and people can't just turn it on and off at will.
re: Card-Happy Referees in Big GamesPosted by RandySavage on 4/20/17 at 7:20 pm to mynamebowl
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How can this be fixed?
Outside of the rest of the world's nuts finally dropping like the Anglos not much. Puss cultures gonna puss culture.
re: Card-Happy Referees in Big GamesPosted by RebelVol on 4/20/17 at 7:33 pm to mynamebowl
quote:it does. Every league and every ref will make mistakes, but the English refs officiate the best out of the big 5 IMO
the English style of officiating makes for better games.
Not calling pussy fouls and slowing down the gameplay all the time is what makes it fun.
Now, sometimes they're pretty bitchy and straight red players for absolutely no reason but I'd rather have the English refs than anything else.
Second best would be Germany
re: Card-Happy Referees in Big GamesPosted by lionward2014 on 4/20/17 at 7:55 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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2nd on field referee
Has that ever been considered by FIFA or UEFA? I can see the pros and cons, but seems like something that could be tested out.
re: Card-Happy Referees in Big GamesPosted by McCaigBro69 on 4/20/17 at 7:57 pm to mynamebowl
The first thinf that comes to mind is being much more harsh w/ severe penalties for diving and also crowding the referee.
In addition, teams should be able to penalized for their fans whistling the referee and urging decisions, IE....Barca are the absolute worst at this. It should be penalized in some form like racist chants and what not are that result in having to play in front of an empty stadium.
The fans and crowding the referee IMO are the two biggest factors in forcing decisions.
In addition, teams should be able to penalized for their fans whistling the referee and urging decisions, IE....Barca are the absolute worst at this. It should be penalized in some form like racist chants and what not are that result in having to play in front of an empty stadium.
The fans and crowding the referee IMO are the two biggest factors in forcing decisions.
re: Card-Happy Referees in Big GamesPosted by RandySavage on 4/20/17 at 8:06 pm to McCaigBro69
Penalizing the fans, really?
re: Card-Happy Referees in Big GamesPosted by Draconian Sanctions on 4/20/17 at 8:17 pm to lionward2014
Not that I'm aware of
re: Card-Happy Referees in Big GamesPosted by McCaigBro69 on 4/20/17 at 8:48 pm to RandySavage
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Penalizing the fans, really
The fans get clubs penalized all the time in this sport.
re: Card-Happy Referees in Big GamesPosted by 225bred on 4/20/17 at 8:55 pm to McCaigBro69
Idk if I agree with the fan aspect but in a perfect world, ref crowding would be dealt with swiftly and severely. Ref makes a call, whoever rushes him and gets in his face is immediately carded, if you're already on a yellow, then see ya, red card. Stamp it out seriously.
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re: Card-Happy Referees in Big GamesPosted by McCaigBro69 on 4/20/17 at 8:58 pm to 225bred
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Idk if I agree with the fan aspect but in a perfect world, ref crowding would be dealt with swiftly and severely. Ref makes a call, whoever rushes him and gets in his face is immediately carded, if you're already on a yellow, then see ya, red card. Stamp it out seriously.
Someone probably knows more than me, but I believe I read somewhere that FIFA or someone is in the works of making it to where captains are the only player allowed to speak to the referees and anyone else would be booked.
re: Card-Happy Referees in Big GamesPosted by pvilleguru on 4/20/17 at 10:15 pm to mynamebowl
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How can this be fixed?
re: Card-Happy Referees in Big GamesPosted by mynamebowl on 4/20/17 at 11:28 pm to McCaigBro69
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teams should be able to penalized for their fans whistling the referee and urging decisions, IE....Barca are the absolute worst at this.
I think the punishing fans thing is harsh probably. The atmosphere at games shouldn't have to be forfeited just because some club's fans are lame. Bitch fan bases are just out there, you're not going to change that. Not saying Barca fans = Bitches btw just adding to your reference.
The problem I think is a cultural one. My culture looks down upon bitch made things like players diving and exaggerating/faking injuries to get a player sent off. Others don't. Maybe I'm wrong. But I don't think so. I think my culture is better Does that make me racist?
The solution I think is better referees. Whatever it takes to get those. Do that.
re: Card-Happy Referees in Big GamesPosted by McCaigBro69 on 4/21/17 at 12:22 am to mynamebowl
Fair point Bowl.
re: Card-Happy Referees in Big GamesPosted by joey barton on 4/21/17 at 8:09 am to mynamebowl
There's a middle ground to stopping play and carding, and the extremes of both end up at the same place: either players foul excessively because they can do so with impunity or play is stopped excessively because you can't do anything.
From a preventing a shitshow perspective, I'd rather referees pull cards out early. People (not necessarily you) regularly bitch on here when a Premier League game goes south because the referee doesn't have the balls to show a card. It's a difficult balance for referees everywhere.
I wouldn't want diving to be punished harder without replay. Referees can't even enforce the offside rule correctly, because it's difficult. I would hate for someone to get sent off in a big game for "diving."
Of course, replay presents its own problems. Everything looks ridiculous in 5x's slow motion, and sometimes shite just isn't anything, not a foul or a dive.
From a preventing a shitshow perspective, I'd rather referees pull cards out early. People (not necessarily you) regularly bitch on here when a Premier League game goes south because the referee doesn't have the balls to show a card. It's a difficult balance for referees everywhere.
I wouldn't want diving to be punished harder without replay. Referees can't even enforce the offside rule correctly, because it's difficult. I would hate for someone to get sent off in a big game for "diving."
Of course, replay presents its own problems. Everything looks ridiculous in 5x's slow motion, and sometimes shite just isn't anything, not a foul or a dive.
re: Card-Happy Referees in Big GamesPosted by Dandy Lion on 4/21/17 at 8:51 am to mynamebowl
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It seems to me that in Spain, Italy, France, and to some extent Germany, the style of officiating doesn't translate well to English soccer.
CL is a European league, of European leagues.
This post was edited on 4/21 at 8:54 am
re: Card-Happy Referees in Big GamesPosted by mynamebowl on 4/21/17 at 3:39 pm to Dandy Lion
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It seems to me that in Spain, Italy, France, and to some extent Germany, the style of officiating doesn't translate well to English soccer.
Frame it however you want man. English soccer is better in terms of entertainment value. Maybe not in your opinion but the numbers show it. There's a reason it's the most popular league in the world by a large margin.
re: Card-Happy Referees in Big GamesPosted by Dandy Lion on 4/21/17 at 4:46 pm to mynamebowl
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There's a reason it's the most popular league in the world by a large margin.
Yes, there is a reason, but most certainly not the one you cite.
re: Card-Happy Referees in Big GamesPosted by Caplewood on 4/21/17 at 6:41 pm to mynamebowl
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Frame it however you want man. English soccer is better in terms of entertainment value. Maybe not in your opinion but the numbers show it. There's a reason it's the most popular league in the world by a large margin.
it's funny because you actually believe that
re: Card-Happy Referees in Big GamesPosted by RandySavage on 4/21/17 at 8:26 pm to Caplewood
What a shocker the Spain boys have their feelings hurt. Flop around and cry about it, Anglos rule dwi.
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