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re: Arsenal 2015/2016 Season Long Thread

Posted on 6/6/16 at 4:52 pm to
Posted by jackwoods4
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 6/6/16 at 4:52 pm to
I'm so jealous y'all are signing Vardy.

I think the idea that he can only be super productive on the counter are a little harsh. It definitely suits him as Gary and Jamie's breakdown from early in the season shows. However, his movement is just so smart that he's a nightmare to mark. He runs channels so well. It's almost impossible for CBs to track him. He's underrated in the air. He works so hard defensively to close people down.

This goal against Chelsea just highlights how wonderful his movement is. Nobody knew who was marking him. His movement just caused Zouma and Terry to freeze. He completely lost his marker and finished lethally. He'll get some chances over the top with midfield players of Arsenal's quality feeding him. I think he can also give people nightmares with his movement if y'all have the ball, though.
Posted by leoj
Member since Nov 2010
3106 posts
Posted on 6/6/16 at 5:13 pm to
I agree with this. I think with him and giroud up top, who can be good when in form, and welbeck back for 2017, that's a great front attack
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
36311 posts
Posted on 6/6/16 at 5:14 pm to
Zouma was more at fault there than Terry, but it seems like both could have done better. What that clip highlights the understanding between Mahrez and Vardy. The cross in was sublime and the finish was good, but that goal was made by the understanding between the two

I'm not denying Vardy's ability to run or his movement. In fact I'd rather we don't buy another no.10 for a while, as it seems our team is full of them. I just don't want to sell Walcott to make room for Vardy.
Posted by DB10_AFC
South Louisiana
Member since Jun 2012
7080 posts
Posted on 6/6/16 at 5:39 pm to
I don't think Vardy being signed means Theo leaves. However if we were to sign another wide forward/winger like Mkhitaryan then I see Theo leaving.
This post was edited on 6/6/16 at 5:42 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
421355 posts
Posted on 6/6/16 at 5:44 pm to
i could be wrong, but i think vardy's nationality is the inspiration for that comment more than his position/role
Posted by BleedPurpleGold
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2005
18917 posts
Posted on 6/6/16 at 5:51 pm to
I don't think anyone is saying he can only be effective on the counter, just that it suits him. As fans we can only judge based on what we watch, and I didn't see a whole lot of Leiceser breaking down a deep defensive block last season. As I said, the guy can pull a goal out of a hat pretty much anywhere, so he'll definitely be successful. But Arsenal have been looking for that final piece of the puzzle to make them world beaters. With the right striker I think they could win the league by ten points. The team is capable of being that good, provided they just find that last bit to make it click. I don't see Vardy as that player. He vey well could prove me wrong, as no one has really seen him operate in an incredibly technical, possession based attack, like Arsenal are forced to play.
Posted by Stewie Griffin
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2005
16148 posts
Posted on 6/7/16 at 1:02 pm to
Walcott's problem last year, after the injury, was he absolutely did not fit the style we were trying to play. Very few of our players did in fact.

quote:

the only thing Welbeck beats him on is workrate


Welbeck is much, much better with the ball at his feet. Better first touch, better dribbler, much better passer. Better in the air.

Walcott's movement is better, his finishing is better, and he's faster.

I'm fine with keeping Walcott. I think we should. Having Xhaka might get him some use running in behind on long balls. But I'd also be fine with selling him if it financed a better player.
Posted by leoj
Member since Nov 2010
3106 posts
Posted on 6/7/16 at 1:09 pm to
I'm totally fine with selling theo and ox
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
36311 posts
Posted on 6/7/16 at 1:50 pm to
The big difference between Walcott and Welbeck is that Welbeck always wants the ball to feet even though he's one of the fastest players in the league.

The style we were trying to play in the second half of last season was legitimately awful. I'd rather play Walcott because he creates space, even when he is ineffective. No one makes space like Walcott in our team.

The second half style was literally the same thing we saw from 08 til Fab left. Aimless possession that required individual moments to break through. When Walcott and RVP were linking together, we were arguably a more cohesive side, especially defensively.

And I dispute Welbeck is a better passer. Walcott averaged nearly 10 assists a season for 3 years, which indicates a very good final ball, which is a thing Welbeck seems to lack. Welbeck is way better at the link up play, which is where his close control and passing ability come through, but he hasn't delivered a final ball as good as Walcott at his best.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
36311 posts
Posted on 6/7/16 at 1:52 pm to
I'd be seriously upset if we sold either player. Both need an injury free run in the team, because both provide something unique in the team. While Joel did play better this season, he's an auxiliary playmaker, a position of which we have an abundance. Ox drives to the byline and Walcott stretches the field both vertically and horizontally.
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68377 posts
Posted on 6/7/16 at 3:39 pm to
I really thought theo came around, just like Ramsey. Yet they both continue to get injured and both have an outlier of a season that hasn't represented their overall mediocre to poor play at the club.

We as fans kind of hang on to that. Do I really want to see theo running at the defense at leceister or west ham? Hell no. But I don't think his contributions warrant the pay he received. I'd much rather use our home grown on younger players, go spend that money on someone that can actually put a stamp on games consistently.
Posted by leoj
Member since Nov 2010
3106 posts
Posted on 6/7/16 at 4:39 pm to
Sorry, but last year was god awful for theo. How many times did he run right at someone and get dispossessed? Also he's 30. At least ox could be loaned out or may turn it around. We could get someone 4-6 years younger than theo for a fraction of the wages that could play just as well as he did last year. I just don't think he will improve enough to justify is keeping him. Hope I'm wrong honestly but I guess we will see
Posted by DestrehanTiger
Houston, TX by way of Louisiana
Member since Nov 2005
12461 posts
Posted on 6/7/16 at 9:50 pm to
quote:

Also he's 30.


I'm not a Theo fan at all, but he's 27. He's not over the hill yet.
Posted by leoj
Member since Nov 2010
3106 posts
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:12 pm to
No idea why I thought 30, my bad. Ok maybe I'm a little off haha. I do still think he's not an option for a striker and obviously he really needs to rebound this year if he stays
Posted by cwil177
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2011
28422 posts
Posted on 6/8/16 at 1:14 am to
quote:

Walcott stretches the field both vertically and horizontally.

When he's not being kind of retarded, sure. I like Theo and I think when he puts it together he's a game changer, but those times seem so few and far between. He asks for the ball at feet instead of into space, negating his speed advantage because he's not good running at defenders with the ball at his feet lately. He's so damn frustrating because we've seen him be very productive. Maybe he just needs to get an injury free spell, but our injury record blows and I'm starting to grow more impatient with Walcott's play.
Posted by Stewie Griffin
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2005
16148 posts
Posted on 6/23/16 at 6:36 am to
Vardy is staying at Leicester. As long as we get another CF I'm fine with it. I saw the positives but it was far from an ideal signing.
Posted by bbap
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2006
96003 posts
Posted on 6/23/16 at 7:47 am to
I was never thrilled about it. But of course we gotta do something.
Posted by timlan2057
In the Shadow of Tiger Stadium
Member since Sep 2005
16760 posts
Posted on 6/23/16 at 3:22 pm to
I'm not upset with him remaining a Fox, but I wasn't upset he was coming here--just not thrilled.

I'm for parting ways with Theo and Ox, if we get suitable replacements and with Arsene, that's never a given.

And because Vardy spurned us, definitely doesn't mean we're going after a world-class striker.

I hate to be a lazy consumer/fan. I will be rooting as usual this next season, but I hope Arsene does something to make me excited during the summer transfer window.

And yes, Xhaka was a very good signing. Adds some much-needed muscle.
This post was edited on 6/23/16 at 3:23 pm
Posted by bbap
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2006
96003 posts
Posted on 6/23/16 at 3:25 pm to
i've watched him 2 or 3 times now with switzerland. No knowledge of him before that. He hasn't really stood out to me to be honest.
Posted by glassman
Next to the beer taps at Finn's
Member since Oct 2008
116088 posts
Posted on 6/23/16 at 3:32 pm to
quote:

He hasn't really stood out to me to be honest.


Exactly what you want from his position. He rarely makes a mistake to hurt the team. Unless it is being over aggressive. He is going to be an excellent player for Arsenal. Captain of Gladbach at 23 is a very good sign.
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