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re: Arsenal 2012/2013 Season Long Thread
Posted on 9/29/12 at 10:02 am to LSUGooner
Posted on 9/29/12 at 10:02 am to LSUGooner
Thing is I just don't see Gervinho or Ramsey actually helping to break down those pesky teams who sit back hunkered down and all.
I mentioned this when I saw the quote about Walcott still reaffirming he want's to play as a striker. His finishing and overall touch of the ball is better than Gervinho's. Let me clarify the touch bit, he isn't the best if you make him play with his back to the goal and try to get him to hold the ball up. You have to play him in through space, but unlike Gervinho he can actually get crosses past defenders. He's threatening enough that where he goes so too would defenders creating passing lanes and space for our midfielders behind him. And when he does face defenders and takes them on if he creates space he can turn in a shot.
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I almost think Walcott as the striker could give us everything Gervinho gives, but he wouldn't stop play by dribbling into defenders. Not the biggest fan of Walcott, but he can certainly provide more than Gervinho.
I mentioned this when I saw the quote about Walcott still reaffirming he want's to play as a striker. His finishing and overall touch of the ball is better than Gervinho's. Let me clarify the touch bit, he isn't the best if you make him play with his back to the goal and try to get him to hold the ball up. You have to play him in through space, but unlike Gervinho he can actually get crosses past defenders. He's threatening enough that where he goes so too would defenders creating passing lanes and space for our midfielders behind him. And when he does face defenders and takes them on if he creates space he can turn in a shot.
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Posted on 9/29/12 at 10:16 am to ATLienTiger
Agreed that Ramsey is not fantastic at breaking play down yet. However, I think his indirect effect of freeing Cazorla to do so is an added benefit. Now, Ramsey has to be on his game and attract attention in order for Cazorla to be free. Against teams that park the bus, like your Stokes and Sunderlands, this play is almost useless. HOwever, in an open game where midfield control is vital, think his build up in the middle third is really good. He does still need plenty of work in attacking third.
As for Walcott...
He also cannot break down your Stokes and Sunderlands, but open play where he can get a quick turn and find an onrushing Pod or even Ox, it could be dangerous. Think we beat Man City last week if Walcott is in for Gervinho in the first half. That half was perfect situation for him.
As for Walcott...
He also cannot break down your Stokes and Sunderlands, but open play where he can get a quick turn and find an onrushing Pod or even Ox, it could be dangerous. Think we beat Man City last week if Walcott is in for Gervinho in the first half. That half was perfect situation for him.
Posted on 9/29/12 at 10:22 am to LSUGooner
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The goal from Gerv looked more like an accident than anything else. One yard further back and that sails over the goal just like every touch he had the previous week.
Didn't look accidental to me. And nah it'd probably have needed to be 4 yards back for that to happen. But I'm not sure that's relevant in the slightest.
Gervinho didn't slow it down terribly today. There were a couple of times, but he was also very dangerous at times. Gotta take the good with the bad. Was certainly more dangerous than Theo late on.
We need to sort out this Theo contract mess. Don't think it's been good for him or the team.
Posted on 9/29/12 at 10:25 am to Friend of OBUDan
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We need to sort out this Theo contract mess. Don't think it's been good for him or the team
If we do does that mean he would get minutes, or even chances up top? We have a bunch of competitions and can use more bodies up top in resting players. That and with Diaby injured, Wilshere, and Rosicky not yet healthy we could use Gervinho/Ox/Ramsey at midfield freeing up a spot for Walcott to get minutes up top.
Posted on 9/29/12 at 10:32 am to ATLienTiger
Maybe. Though it still seems he's 4th or 5th on the striking depth chart.
Posted on 9/29/12 at 10:34 am to Friend of OBUDan
And 3rd/4th on the Winger depending on whom we are playing.
If Arsene doesn't intend to play him all that much then I don't know how much he is worth to us?
If Arsene doesn't intend to play him all that much then I don't know how much he is worth to us?
Posted on 9/29/12 at 10:37 am to ATLienTiger
On the winger depth chart he may be higher. He may start there more frequently if he ever signs. Though maybe not because The Ox and Ramsey, and even Gervinho, track back better. When Sagna returns, that fruitful partnership might strike back up.
Posted on 9/29/12 at 10:38 am to Friend of OBUDan
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Gervinho didn't slow it down terribly today. There were a couple of times, but he was also very dangerous at times. Gotta take the good with the bad.
That's a fair thought, but I just disagree. I think there is far more bad than the good he provides in games like this one. I think he does have games that his particular set of skills helps a lot in, but I just don't feel he is the right choice in open games with elite defenses playing against us.
Posted on 9/29/12 at 11:03 am to LSUGooner
Gerv is frustrating, but at times he seems to be the only one attacking the net. Walcott is so hot and cold id rather gervinho. Hopefully his decision making gets better, he could be a really good player. Ill take his 4 goals also, even though he could have 10. Giroud needs more work, but he is def promising.
This post was edited on 9/29/12 at 11:06 am
Posted on 9/29/12 at 1:32 pm to dgnx6
City, United, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, Everton, Newcastle...going to be a battle for the top 4 spots.
Posted on 9/29/12 at 3:04 pm to Friend of OBUDan
Cazorla has set a high bar for himself with the quality he has showed so far this season, so I was a little disappointed in him. He often takes too many touches when he's in the box and looking for an opportunity to take a shot.
I couldn't agree more with a lot of the previous sentiment regarding Gervinho. He had a good turn on that goal but that's almost expected. However, he is a huge net negative on the buildup. His whole strategy of dribbling it into the backline in the box until running out of space didn't work against Man City and it didn't work against Chelsea, two of the top backlines in the league.
Mannone was awful on that free kick and needs to go back to being third string. Just a disgraceful effort on that goal.
It was a frustrating loss but there are some positives. Chelsea will certainly at least be Top 3 this year and Arsenal still could have won against them in spite of Diaby's injury and the whole team not really firing on all cylinders (Ramsey, Ox playing like shite as well). Arteta played very well.
Giroud seems like he's starting to progress and adjust a little bit better to the Premiership. I wouldn't mind seeing him get the nod against West Ham next week and move Podolski outside. Our wingers suck anyway.
I couldn't agree more with a lot of the previous sentiment regarding Gervinho. He had a good turn on that goal but that's almost expected. However, he is a huge net negative on the buildup. His whole strategy of dribbling it into the backline in the box until running out of space didn't work against Man City and it didn't work against Chelsea, two of the top backlines in the league.
Mannone was awful on that free kick and needs to go back to being third string. Just a disgraceful effort on that goal.
It was a frustrating loss but there are some positives. Chelsea will certainly at least be Top 3 this year and Arsenal still could have won against them in spite of Diaby's injury and the whole team not really firing on all cylinders (Ramsey, Ox playing like shite as well). Arteta played very well.
Giroud seems like he's starting to progress and adjust a little bit better to the Premiership. I wouldn't mind seeing him get the nod against West Ham next week and move Podolski outside. Our wingers suck anyway.
This post was edited on 9/29/12 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 9/29/12 at 4:41 pm to acgeaux129
Good news is for us we battle through every match, and are always in the thick of it till the final minute.
City have some defensive woes, despite having the same backline return from last season. They just aren't near as rock solid as they were in their title campaign. That and they are barely getting by with a ton of goals in the final 10 minutes, that luck will end at some point. ManU have some serious, very serious, defensive deficiencies, and have absolutely no one in the center of midfield to slow down or break up the play of the opposition. Everton I have no clue if they can keep this up. Newcastle are doing well because Ba is literally backpacking them, I don't think he can keep up this quality for the majority of the season. Spurs look very good on the counter, have a fast midfield. They don't have the best backline, and Defoe is playing better than he has in years who knows how long he can keep up this form. Chelsea to me look the most legitimate team of the bunch. They are fairly organized at the back, and have multiple attacking weapons capable of putting up many goals.
Arsenal, we really need to find goals scorers. That and our offensive identity. Are we trying to have a target man, whip in crosses into the box, play through a certain someone up top? Just what exactly is our offensive strategy? We have free flowing football for the majority of the match, but it bogs down a good bit when we work it up the final 3rd.
More good news is of the next 3: West Ham, Norwich, and QPR we should get a good amount of goals and find some confidence. Those latter 2 sides have looked downright horrid on defense.
City have some defensive woes, despite having the same backline return from last season. They just aren't near as rock solid as they were in their title campaign. That and they are barely getting by with a ton of goals in the final 10 minutes, that luck will end at some point. ManU have some serious, very serious, defensive deficiencies, and have absolutely no one in the center of midfield to slow down or break up the play of the opposition. Everton I have no clue if they can keep this up. Newcastle are doing well because Ba is literally backpacking them, I don't think he can keep up this quality for the majority of the season. Spurs look very good on the counter, have a fast midfield. They don't have the best backline, and Defoe is playing better than he has in years who knows how long he can keep up this form. Chelsea to me look the most legitimate team of the bunch. They are fairly organized at the back, and have multiple attacking weapons capable of putting up many goals.
Arsenal, we really need to find goals scorers. That and our offensive identity. Are we trying to have a target man, whip in crosses into the box, play through a certain someone up top? Just what exactly is our offensive strategy? We have free flowing football for the majority of the match, but it bogs down a good bit when we work it up the final 3rd.
More good news is of the next 3: West Ham, Norwich, and QPR we should get a good amount of goals and find some confidence. Those latter 2 sides have looked downright horrid on defense.
This post was edited on 9/29/12 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 9/29/12 at 4:45 pm to ATLienTiger
I still think Arsenal are the most complete team in the league. Obviously the only question is where the goals will come from every week.
United's midfield is shite. Fergie will have them pick up max points against lesser clubs, but they've proven that they struggle with the bigger ones.
City - who even knows what to think. Showed heart today, but still don't have me convinced.
Chelsea - good squad, major holes though. They struggle to create opportunities from open play, much less score on them. Virtually no width and a rather inconsistent defense.
Tottenham - flip a coin as to whether you face their good or bad side. Tremendous potential though.
United's midfield is shite. Fergie will have them pick up max points against lesser clubs, but they've proven that they struggle with the bigger ones.
City - who even knows what to think. Showed heart today, but still don't have me convinced.
Chelsea - good squad, major holes though. They struggle to create opportunities from open play, much less score on them. Virtually no width and a rather inconsistent defense.
Tottenham - flip a coin as to whether you face their good or bad side. Tremendous potential though.
Posted on 9/29/12 at 4:46 pm to ATLienTiger
first off let me 
at Jenkinson for that dive bullshite. But other than that I was impressed again.
Walcott is a horrible choice for a sub against a sound defensive team who are up a goal. he was anonymous.
Ramsey shouldn't have started, I hope to see Ox starting next week. Ramsey starting means Arsene is afraid of the other team and wants to crowd the midfield/defense by possession, but he makes so many mistakes going forward.
Giroud again had great strength in hold up play and great movement.. came really close twice but he's just not found his form yet.
5-head had a great goal, but not the best decision making outside of that and should have came off in the 65th instead of Podolski who was having a pretty good game.
We REALLY need to work on some damn set piece defense, I'm scared every time.
Wolosinflsng Sscscnesny needs to come back, he makes some mistakes but he has a lot more of a presence in the back.
Impressed by the Ox, and Arteta was amazing again.
Cazorla had flashes but for the first time he got taken out of the game a bit by Mikel.
Also Cech is a beast.
at Jenkinson for that dive bullshite. But other than that I was impressed again. Walcott is a horrible choice for a sub against a sound defensive team who are up a goal. he was anonymous.
Ramsey shouldn't have started, I hope to see Ox starting next week. Ramsey starting means Arsene is afraid of the other team and wants to crowd the midfield/defense by possession, but he makes so many mistakes going forward.
Giroud again had great strength in hold up play and great movement.. came really close twice but he's just not found his form yet.
5-head had a great goal, but not the best decision making outside of that and should have came off in the 65th instead of Podolski who was having a pretty good game.
We REALLY need to work on some damn set piece defense, I'm scared every time.
Wolosinflsng Sscscnesny needs to come back, he makes some mistakes but he has a lot more of a presence in the back.
Impressed by the Ox, and Arteta was amazing again.
Cazorla had flashes but for the first time he got taken out of the game a bit by Mikel.
Also Cech is a beast.
Posted on 9/29/12 at 4:48 pm to Jumbeauxlaya
Posted on 9/29/12 at 4:57 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
I would have said we were most complete, but it would have sounded homerish, and we truly do lack consistent goal scoring.
Posted on 9/29/12 at 5:03 pm to ATLienTiger
I would say ya'll are, although this is the time to pick up points while the other big clubs are struggling (exactly what Chelsea is doing so well). Part of me is worried that Arsenal's goal scoring problems won't be fixed in time to compete for the title (a legitimate possibility this year).
Posted on 9/29/12 at 5:18 pm to ATLienTiger
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City have some defensive woes, despite having the same backline return from last season. They just aren't near as rock solid as they were in their title campaign.
I agree, but my point last week is there no way he can hope to take on Kompany or whatever and beat him off the dribble with no angle and no room to work with. It's frustrating as hell to watch.
As for the league as a whole, I think Chelsea looks really dangerous especially with Torres returning to form. It'll be interesting to see what Sir Alex can do in fixing their current issues. They already have the best strikers in the league by far.
This post was edited on 9/29/12 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 9/29/12 at 5:25 pm to acgeaux129
ManU simply don't have the players to correct their issues in the center. No center mid to speak of. Fletcher might improve them a bit, other than him I see no midfieler doing anything for them. Ferdinand simply isn't good at the back any longer, and Vidic got brought back much too early.
The top clubs will all steal points from one another, Arsenal have just got to make sure they get max points from the mid to bottom half teams.
The top clubs will all steal points from one another, Arsenal have just got to make sure they get max points from the mid to bottom half teams.
Posted on 9/29/12 at 5:29 pm to ATLienTiger
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I see no midfieler doing anything for them.
Scholes?
And couldn't they get someone in January?
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