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re: 2013 Summer Transfer Thread
Posted on 8/6/13 at 1:18 pm to BobLoblaw
Posted on 8/6/13 at 1:18 pm to BobLoblaw
it's clear the arsenal board isn't the only arsenal thing you've been avoiding lately. matches too it seems.
look I don't mind being called a homer, sure I am. we're all biased on here. back up what you're saying, don't just attack me. bring some points as to why our defensive record with kos/per won't hold up. tell me why you think clichy is better than gibbs or Monreal. (I loved clichy but he was worse than both defensively and going forward). explain to me that despite the fact arteta has been doing a damn fine xabi alonso impersonation these past two years and who has been integral to our club the past two years (it's football, so tough to look at W-L when one player is present, but our results without him are shocking) isn't that great or at his best as a DLP. his reading of the game is precisely why we don't need a DM. if you don't think he could've played over some of the guys MUFC have thrown out there in CM the last few years or Barry at MCFC or Mikel/Romeu for Chelsea or Scott Parker at Spurs, then I think you're flat out wrong.
I also think you're quite wrong about Rambo. don't judge him because he sucked at RW.
our weaknesses is what it was last year. we've got a very solid team that can get results against lower clubs better than many of our squads in recent years, but we don't have the star that can make something special happen against the bigger clubs against whom we struggled last year. I think giroud will be better this year but he still isn't dynamic or a matchwinner. I don't care for poldi and have no idea where Jack will play. I do know a dynamic forward is the one thing this club is truly lacking. Rooney or suarez would fit that bill.
I probably shouldn't have lol'd at your last post but it was blatantly incorrect.
look I don't mind being called a homer, sure I am. we're all biased on here. back up what you're saying, don't just attack me. bring some points as to why our defensive record with kos/per won't hold up. tell me why you think clichy is better than gibbs or Monreal. (I loved clichy but he was worse than both defensively and going forward). explain to me that despite the fact arteta has been doing a damn fine xabi alonso impersonation these past two years and who has been integral to our club the past two years (it's football, so tough to look at W-L when one player is present, but our results without him are shocking) isn't that great or at his best as a DLP. his reading of the game is precisely why we don't need a DM. if you don't think he could've played over some of the guys MUFC have thrown out there in CM the last few years or Barry at MCFC or Mikel/Romeu for Chelsea or Scott Parker at Spurs, then I think you're flat out wrong.
I also think you're quite wrong about Rambo. don't judge him because he sucked at RW.
our weaknesses is what it was last year. we've got a very solid team that can get results against lower clubs better than many of our squads in recent years, but we don't have the star that can make something special happen against the bigger clubs against whom we struggled last year. I think giroud will be better this year but he still isn't dynamic or a matchwinner. I don't care for poldi and have no idea where Jack will play. I do know a dynamic forward is the one thing this club is truly lacking. Rooney or suarez would fit that bill.
I probably shouldn't have lol'd at your last post but it was blatantly incorrect.
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Posted on 8/6/13 at 1:19 pm to BobLoblaw
Ramsey played way better than Jack for most of last season. Jack has a higher ceiling but he hasn't reached his pre-injury heights.
FWIW I don't think Clichy had a bad season for us, he just was never the same after the Birmingham game when Eduardo got injured. Gibbs hasn't ever been exposed as badly as Clichy was against Nani.
We might have few players who couldvstart for other teams, but in spite of that we are generally the best team offensively and defensively in open play. Wenger is a magician who does more with less. We add an elite striker to a Wenger coached team and it is for sure we will punch above our weight.
FWIW I don't think Clichy had a bad season for us, he just was never the same after the Birmingham game when Eduardo got injured. Gibbs hasn't ever been exposed as badly as Clichy was against Nani.
We might have few players who couldvstart for other teams, but in spite of that we are generally the best team offensively and defensively in open play. Wenger is a magician who does more with less. We add an elite striker to a Wenger coached team and it is for sure we will punch above our weight.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 1:22 pm to crazy4lsu
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Wenger is a magician who does more with less.
How is this accurate? They finish 4th, maybe 3rd, every year which is pretty much exactly where their talent level puts them.
This post was edited on 8/6/13 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 8/6/13 at 1:39 pm to RandySavage
Did you see our 2006 squad? Our 2008 team? Our 2011/12 team was mid table without Wenger. When we've competed for the title in recent seasons, in 07, 09, and 10, we've done it with smaller teams full of young players. Under the same limitations most managers wouldn't have survived. This is the first year in a while where we have 20ish useful players, many of them full internationals. Our teams are based on promise and potentials, and on paper they should be lower on the table than they end up.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 1:44 pm to crazy4lsu
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This is the first year in a while where we have 20ish useful players, many of them full internationals
So do you expect to finish higher than the customary 3rd/4th? Further, if you don't does that mean Wegner did not do a good job?
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Our 2011/12 team was mid table without Wenger
Without Van Persie.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 2:02 pm to RandySavage
No not at this point. We need a couple more players.
Who do you think developed Van Persie? Without Wenger RvP would have been a petulant Dutch winger. Wenger had the foresight to see that Van Persie would excel as a lone striker, which is why we sold Adebayor. Let's not act as if RvP appeared out of nowhere. Even more impressive was the development of Song, who some thought was Wenger's worst buy ever, yet he was transformed into a good midfielder who provided RvP with a steady supply.
Here's an article that details some of Wenger's overachievement. LINK
Who do you think developed Van Persie? Without Wenger RvP would have been a petulant Dutch winger. Wenger had the foresight to see that Van Persie would excel as a lone striker, which is why we sold Adebayor. Let's not act as if RvP appeared out of nowhere. Even more impressive was the development of Song, who some thought was Wenger's worst buy ever, yet he was transformed into a good midfielder who provided RvP with a steady supply.
Here's an article that details some of Wenger's overachievement. LINK
Posted on 8/6/13 at 2:07 pm to crazy4lsu
Rummenigge confirmed that if Luiz Gustavo agrees terms with Woflsburg, they will negotiate with Wolfsburg for a transfer.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 2:08 pm to Friend of OBUDan
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bring some points as to why our defensive record with kos/per won't hold up.
I said your defense is fine. I think both players have obvious weaknesses in their individual games, but certainly have formed a good partnership.
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his reading of the game is precisely why we don't need a DM. if you don't think he could've played over some of the guys MUFC have thrown out there in CM the last few years or Barry at MCFC or Mikel/Romeu for Chelsea or Scott Parker at Spurs, then I think you're flat out wrong.
Arteta would not start at DM at Chelsea over Mikel, he wouldn't even be considered for that anchoring position. Barry has not been a regular starter and Romeu certainly hasnt been other than a 6 game spell under AVB, Last time I checked Spurs weren't competing for titles.
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I also think you're quite wrong about Rambo. don't judge him because he sucked at RW.
My opinion of him has nothing to do with him playing out of position. He is too languid on the ball, slows the game down way too much and next to a player who doesn't have the legs (Arteta) he does not cover enough ground in the center.
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I think giroud will be better this year but he still isn't dynamic or a matchwinner.
I rate Giroud personally, unfortunately he hasn't proven to be the man yet and where is your depth up top? I agree that Poldi is not good enough, squad player at best.
Anyways, I'm done debating you, your not going to convince me before the season even starts that this team is clearly better than when yall had RVP, I think thats a ridiculous statement to make. You are probably the last person on this board, other than Randy, that I would chose to engage in a conversation, which is a shame because clearly you follow the sport and have some intelligence about you and to be honest I've always quite liked Arsenal.
This post was edited on 8/6/13 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 8/6/13 at 2:17 pm to BobLoblaw
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uch and next to a player who doesn't have the legs (Arteta) he does not cover enough ground in the center.
This is straight up wrong. This is one reason the Arteta-Ramsey pivot worked. I don't think we lost a game when those two playef together, starting with the Bayern game second leg. I literally do not know how you came to that conclusion.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 2:28 pm to crazy4lsu
I'm perfectly content on agreeing to disagree about Ramsey 
I'll keep an eye those 2 when we play ya'll on the 17th, ya'll should be able to easily control the midfield against us, although I think our 3 forwards will make it difficult for your backline on the counter.
I'll keep an eye those 2 when we play ya'll on the 17th, ya'll should be able to easily control the midfield against us, although I think our 3 forwards will make it difficult for your backline on the counter.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 2:54 pm to BobLoblaw
did i click on the arsenal thread ¿
Posted on 8/6/13 at 3:08 pm to UPT
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did i click on the arsenal thread ¿
+1 and
Posted on 8/6/13 at 3:08 pm to BobLoblaw
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You are probably the last person on this board, other than Randy, that I would chose to engage in a conversation,
Smart move on your part.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 3:09 pm to RandySavage
Its nothing personal Randy, from what I can tell you've gotten better lately.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 3:22 pm to BobLoblaw
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Its nothing personal Randy,
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you've gotten better lately.
Hard to be better than the best.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 3:41 pm to BobLoblaw
time to go fricking kill myself
Posted on 8/6/13 at 3:43 pm to Tweezy
saw that. also saw that teams in Spain and England were interested...guess that's one to watch.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 6:02 pm to Friend of OBUDan
Rumors are Anzhi is looking to offload all its stars. They have some promising players.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 6:03 pm to crazy4lsu
Also it would be weird for Luiz Gustavo to go down to Wolfsburgs level, not that they are that bad, but I would have thought the elite teams in Europe would go after the guy.
Posted on 8/6/13 at 6:06 pm to crazy4lsu
who would you want?
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