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re: Butch Davis: Barron drafted because of Graham - bonethug0108
[quote]It shows teams bring in safeties to stop WRs as well as TEs. [/quote]Still not relevant unless you can show me one safety who spends even half his time in man coverage on a WR. Just because a safety covers a WR occasionally doesn't mean that that's why they brought him in. It's only a small p...


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re: Butch Davis: Barron drafted because of Graham - bonethug0108
If anything I believe Vaccaro played man against TEs and HBs more than against slot receivers. I know Vaccaro was used a lot against Tony G. That actually plays in to what the Bucs did with Barron and Graham which would again help the NFL's case. Not seeing how that helps Graham at all....


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re: Butch Davis: Barron drafted because of Graham - bonethug0108
Turned it around how? This was about a safety being drafted to cover a tight end, and that same team not drafting a corner to do so. And that same team also wouldn't draft a safety to cover a wide receiver. So if they wouldn't draft a safety to cover a wide receiver, then they saw Graham as a tig...


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re: So BSPN just said......... - bonethug0108
Yeah I thought everyone just got a 44% raise for the third year, not just qbs. Well it still means we can tag him 2 years in a row and come out cheaper....


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re: So BSPN just said......... - bonethug0108
We're offering $9.5m per. If we tagged him 3 years in a row at $7m, $8.4m, and then $12m it comes out to about $9.2m per. We actually do better not signing him long term. Of course that would create bad feelings so everyone should have a long term deal as their best bet....


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re: Happy Fourth of July, Saints Talk! - bonethug0108
'Merica woohoo yeah! :usa:...


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re: 4 Questions about each team in the NFC South. - bonethug0108
Yeah that Newton guy has definitely been drinking the kool aid. He went from wondering wtf like everyone else to completely buying in to all of Gettleman and Rivera's bs. Saying Smith was no longer a number 1 receiver (he still has the talent for it), using skewed stats about Ginn and Underwood t...


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re: Ranking the NFC South position groups: Defense. - bonethug0108
Well done. No Saints bias though I can tell it came from a Saints fan with a deeper knowledge of our backups. Hard to argue the rankings. I'd have to see Butler and Fortt in action before I say we definitely have better LBs than Atlanta (Worrilow played well and Bartu could be a good one too), bu...


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re: Saints offer contract to Graham - bonethug0108
Technically we could franchise him a third time for about $12m and still come out cheaper than the $9.5m per we are offering ($9.2m average if tagged 3 years in a row). But I think everyone would prefer just to work out a long term deal that makes everyone happy. It also allows us the option to t...


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re: Playaction Pass vs No Playaction Pass - bonethug0108
If Flanders beats him out does he yell Doh!...


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re: Playaction Pass vs No Playaction Pass - bonethug0108
That's stupid. We should do that in the bottom of the 8th and it should be Stills screaming because we all know why....


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re: Playaction Pass vs No Playaction Pass - bonethug0108
Nah uh....


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re: Playaction Pass vs No Playaction Pass - bonethug0108
We actually did pretty well with it. Just think if we had a legit threat how scary we'd be....


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re: Playaction Pass vs No Playaction Pass - bonethug0108
Lack of a true rushing threat makes it pointless for teams to sellout on the run. It might hold the backers or safeties for a moment but rarely do they commit. Also means Brees' doesn't need play action to be very effective. TB you have the league no play action average confused with Brees' n...


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re: We will be ready with or without Jimmy Graham" - Brees - bonethug0108
Drops and no blocking skills included....


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re: NFL Management Council will make strong counter-argument against Jimmy grievance - bonethug0108
One of the very first points to bring up is the WRs rarely if ever line up next to a tackle, while TEs have been split out for decades. Not sure where it was ever said that a TE had to be lined up next to the tackle. I think the Saints may let this play out and think they have a very good chance ...


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re: Weatherspoon Done For The Year....Falcons Weep...... - bonethug0108
[quote]I'm looking at your roster now, and holy crap, all the linebackers are either rookies or have a year or two of experience. That's nuts. [/quote]Worrilow and Bartu aren't bad but I wouldn't go calling them great either. They played well as rookies last year. But with Dent never taking that ...


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re: 90 Man Roster Depth Chart 6/3/14 - bonethug0108
Updated with the newest additions. With Bunkley taking a pay cut and only an UDFA behind him I thought Bunkley was a lock to make the roster. I still think he makes it but the addition of Deaderick makes it less of a certainty....


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re: Saints sign Jonathan Goodwin - bonethug0108
May have missed it but we waived Golic Jr. and Hadley to make room for Goodwin and someone else....


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re: So I assume we will sign Goodwin this week - bonethug0108
I was thinking so too(was expecting it after rookie minicamp) but I forgot the angle of keeping SF from getting a comp pick. Also, I forgot we also lost Brown so we lost 3 UFAs that count towards comp picks(Jenkins and DLP being the others). Not sure if Golic Jr., Foketi, Weaver, Welch, or Ozo...


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re: So I assume we will sign Goodwin this week - bonethug0108
Color me surprised. Guess someone stunk it up bad in the first week of OTAs, or they were trying to keep SF from getting a comp pick(lord knows they don't need anymore extra picks). Have to imagine they release an Olineman to make room....


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re: So I assume we will sign Goodwin this week - bonethug0108
He took a pay cut so we wouldn't cut him. We could have designated him as a June 1st cut before as we didn't use the designation on anyone else(you get 2 uses of it before June 1st). Being that we didn't really pick up any other NTs outside of 1 UDFA who may not make the team, I think it's safe t...


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re: So I assume we will sign Goodwin this week - bonethug0108
[quote]Everything you mentioned is prior to june 1. [/quote]This has no bearing as we didn't have anyone designated as June 1st cuts so we have no extra cap, and we aren't playing the comp pick game(we intentionally never do). He's a vet so he doesn't need to be here for OTAs. It's better for us ...


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re: So I assume we will sign Goodwin this week - bonethug0108
No one else is signing a 36 year old center that is not familiar with their system. The 9ers are done with him and we are the only other team that would try to pick him up(we were his only visit). We aren't signing him now because we are letting the young guys get the reps and the teaching. Goodw...


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re: So I assume we will sign Goodwin this week - bonethug0108
[quote]That doesn't make any sense [/quote]Makes plenty of sense. OTAs are more for teaching/installs whereas training camp/preseason is when you are actually getting ready for the season. There's zero reason to bring him in until training camp now unless someone gets you know what....


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re: So I assume we will sign Goodwin this week - bonethug0108
[quote]including the calculation for compensatory picks.[/quote]This isn't going to factor in as we aren't getting any anyway. We signed too many FAs and didn't lose but 2 I believe(Jenkins and DLP) as cut players and untendered RFAs don't count. Since we haven't signed him following rookie minic...


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re: Saints LB Victor Butler ready to find his role after lost 2013 season - bonethug0108
[quote]He better damn well be ready and play very well. That money could have been used elsewhere[/quote]Yeah that $1.5m per year really set us back. Kept us from getting guys like Lewis and Byrd ya know....


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re: Some notes from OTA's. - bonethug0108
With so many RT types we have to try these guys somewhere. Interesting to see Jones at guard. I guess this is his last go around and they figure he won't cut it at tackle. And yeah that's surprising with Rooks because Payton specifically said otherwise. This could also just be the try them out...


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re: 90 Man Roster Depth Chart 6/3/14 - bonethug0108
That's why I said I agree with Paddy that Harris and Strief could play LT. But watching them play RT (and in Strief's case having seen him play LT), they don't look athletic and/or quick enough tohandle the speed rushers on a consistent basis. Yes they can do it but I don't see them doing it well...


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re: 90 Man Roster Depth Chart 6/3/14 - bonethug0108
It's what they've played and college and/or the NFL and what the reports say they are suited for. Most of them their game is built more for handling the power rushers and not the speed rushers. Most are also built more for the run game than pass game. Now that doesn't mean they can't play LT, but...


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