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re: Jap foreign minister complains about innocents killed in A bombings - MrCarton
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Good post. I will reply when I get time tomorrow....
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[quote]Now then, why do you discount (aka blow off) Marshall?[/quote] Well I didn't. I even quoted him. He said that the bomb was not a military but political decision. ...
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Nice. So I missed the part about the emperor...YOu know, biggest point of contention in the early talks. Bottom line is the US did make concessions to the Japs. Many of the very concessions that top military leaders advised from the beginning. They just did it after the bombs were dropped. D...
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[quote]At least try spelling it correctly before misapplying it in a doltish innuendo. [/quote] You got me Tigah. Clearly the my spelling is the issue here. There was no doltish innuendo. You blew off Eisenhower's opinion as out of touch, which is about as dumb a thing as has been stated in t...
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[quote]the president...conducting these actions while refusing to declare...war[/quote] Yes. He didn't lobby to declare war. He pretended he had no intention to go to war. He was called out for this. Pearl Harbor was his saving grace. [quote] He was conducting the actions in order to get in t...
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Not even close. ...
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[quote]FDR wanted war. He was doing practically everything he could to incite the Axis powers. By law, he could not declare war, and the Congress wouldn't declare war until the US was openly attacked. It would've been foolish for FDR to ask Congress for a DOW before Pearl Harbor, and he knew thi...
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[quote]Most individuals cited as supposedly finding "the Atomic Bomb unnecessary" held that opinion because they felt the concept of "unconditional surrender" was unnecessary as well. It wasn't. [/quote] Of course it was. JAPAN DID NOT SURRENDER UNCONDITIONALLY. Jesus Christ. that you overlook th...
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[quote]Nothing is ever certain, but it would be a severe dereliction of duty if our leaders didn't do anything in order that we could defend ourselves. [/quote] If the government is exists, it should exist to do this as a primary function. The debate was never between sit by and be invaded or wag...
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We just had class. You are dismissed :lol:...
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I'm out. Glad we had this chat guys. ...
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[quote]Also our entry into the war got us out of the depression. To this day we still maintain that same war-footing that ended the depression. There were MANY economic reasons to get into that war.[/quote] and this is where we diverge! :lol: ...
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[quote]Sounds like justification to me. If only we had let them rape and slaughter their way across the Pacific and Indochina undisturbed it never would have happened! [/quote] Good plan. Now, do you prefer Delta or Lufthansa? I can't swing first class, but you will get a stop in Germany on your ...
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[quote]Neither country was really threat, right? [/quote] Well that isn't what I said. I said it is not a foregone conclusion that Germany or Japan was a threat to the United States. A threat to our alliances? A threat to our economic relationship with China? Those are reasonable questions. T...
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[quote]Good Lord, you actually believe this crap?[/quote] What crap? Do you want to participate? ...
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[quote]So in your view how did the US for profits sake trick Hitler into declaring war on the US first? Did we pay him off? [/quote] Dude. If you read ANYTHING about WWII at all you would see that the US made many decisions prior to our involvement to get the US de facto involved in the wars of t...
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[quote]That is EXTREMELY common. I credit the war propaganda, then and now.[/quote] I agree. People forget that before and during the war it was a widely held belief that the US has no business in WWII, or WWI for that matter. MANY people stood up and said that it wouldn't do any good for us t...
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[quote]That's a lot of strawmen, give me a little time to untangle all of them so I can see your actual argument. [/quote] Oh there are a lot of straw men out there for sure. :lol: ...
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[quote]Nothing. It's a paradox for sure. The difference is that Hitler and Nazi Germany were waging war on the entirety of continental Europe and beyond at that point. Stalin was not. It was a pact with the devil. If it was necessary to eliminate the scourge of Nazism, so be it. I would have preferr...
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