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re: Casualty in the War on Drugs - RogerTheShrubber
[quote] wasting my time[/quote] Yep. It's an entrenched mentality. People have been fed bing gov propaganda and it's very effective...


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re: Casualty in the War on Drugs - RogerTheShrubber
[quote] the WOD clearly isn't working. what is your take on what should be done? If your defense was getting manhandled, do you make adjustments or take them off the field completely? [/quote] Make adjustments like we've suggested. Spend your hard earned tax dollars on something else th...


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re: Casualty in the War on Drugs - RogerTheShrubber
[quote]Didn't realize there were so many boot licking, big intrusive government lovers on the OT. Not a conservative or libertarian in sight. [/quote] Lots of big gov authoritarian types for sure. It's the regional culture. La will be one of the last states to legalize pot or any other drug. ...


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re: We Never Tried To Impeach Bush, Says Dem Rep Who Co-Sponsored Bush Impeachment - RogerTheShrubber
[quote]Seriously, does SJL have any handlers to muzzle her whatsoever? She may the dumbest politician to ever walk the halls of congress. [/quote] She's got a couple of buffers against public criticism....


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re: The man who single handedly shut up the SEC. - RogerTheShrubber
[quote]Thanks for shitting the bed Bama.[/quote] At least it wasn't Utah this year....


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re: Casualty in the War on Drugs - RogerTheShrubber
[quote] For the most part, drug dealers aren't like in the movies. You'd be surprised, there's probably someone you interact with everyday on a professional level that could be dealing. [/quote] No doubt...


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re: Casualty in the War on Drugs - RogerTheShrubber
[quote] I understand that, but most of these small time dealers aren't the ones committing violent crimes either[/quote] No, but they associate with people who do....


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re: Casualty in the War on Drugs - RogerTheShrubber
[quote]I agree that it's easier to sell dope than rob and murder people, but don't you think the pattern of disregarding the law would continue? They have to make their money some kind of way[/quote] Many dealers make enough money to support their own use. I imagine some would resort to other cr...


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re: Casualty in the War on Drugs - RogerTheShrubber
[quote] Fair enough. But I highly doubt you've never done anything illegal.[/quote] [link=(http://reason.com/archives/2009/10/19/were-all-felons-now)]LINK[/link] [quote] "There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when t...


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re: Casualty in the War on Drugs - RogerTheShrubber
[quote]Ok, let's work off of those articles. These people have already established that they're willing to go outside of the law to make extra money. If you take away their ability to deal, you don't think they would be inclined to break other laws to keep their income stream intact?[/quote] I'm ...


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re: Casualty in the War on Drugs - RogerTheShrubber
[quote]Don't cry bro. You'll be OK. [/quote] ,You keep saying this, no one's crying. In fact, everyone but you appear to be having a civil, adult conversation. ...


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re: Casualty in the War on Drugs - RogerTheShrubber
[quote]I've known quite a few drug dealers over the years and most of them had a regular job.[/quote] Most do. A few folks have some image of a 16 year old inner city kid on a bike but they may be surprised to know what their friends are doing. [link=(http://www.salon.com/2014/03/09/the_tru...


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re: Casualty in the War on Drugs - RogerTheShrubber
[quote] Not saying it wasn't accurate, but I think lots of things have changed in the drug game in 25 years [/quote] Well, you can discredit anything if you want if you dislike the premise. Most dealers don't get rich or make enough to live comfortably. [link=(http://www.salon.com/2014/03/09/...


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re: Casualty in the War on Drugs - RogerTheShrubber
[quote] Boo hoo! There goes the whining and crying[/quote] WTF? ...


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re: Casualty in the War on Drugs - RogerTheShrubber
[quote] Most drug dealers have "regular jobs." I'm gonna need to see some numbers on that. [/quote] [link=(http://articles.latimes.com/1990-07-11/news/mn-212_1_drug-dealing)]LINK[/link] ...


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re: Casualty in the War on Drugs - RogerTheShrubber
[quote] Exactly! What, specifically are you doing to change them. If the laws are so intolerable how are you working to fix them, today? Are you doing anything real, or just laying about pouting? [/quote] Voting, local activism and helping others who don't know the facts better understand them. ...


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re: Casualty in the War on Drugs - RogerTheShrubber
[quote]Stupidity mostly. [/quote] We agree. Prohibition created violent, organized gangs, so did the war on drugs. Too stupid to learn our lesson the first time. [quote]You think people who make their living outside of the law are all of the sudden going to go out and find a job, or will t...


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re: Casualty in the War on Drugs - RogerTheShrubber
[quote]Then what's the answer? Will there not still be the dregs of society that will do whatever it takes to get their next hit? Will the gangs dealing in drugs not want to still protect their territory? Drug violence would just convert into other forms of violence[/quote] Sure, eventually they'...


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re: Should Stephen Smith have been suspended by ESPN after Ray Rice comments? - RogerTheShrubber
[quote]Should Stephen Smith have been suspended by ESPN after Ray Rice comments? [/quote] No...


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re: Casualty in the War on Drugs - RogerTheShrubber
[quote] Sure you would We've found some equilibrium. [/quote] No one has suggested drug use would decrease. ...


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re: Casualty in the War on Drugs - RogerTheShrubber
[quote] Nope, they should be changed. That's how our little deal here works. [/quote] Right. I'm sure you've never broken any laws. "Victimless crime" laws do more harm than good. They should be changed, and are..slowly. 25 years from now people will realize how fricked up this period of h...


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re: Buying a Tundra - RogerTheShrubber
[quote]17.5 overall, 19 on highway. Plenty of power but may not push it as hard as some.[/quote] Not bad....


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re: Casualty in the War on Drugs - RogerTheShrubber
[quote] If you snap your fingers right now and not another person is charged with a drug crime ever, you'd still have the same drug abuse problem when you wake up.[/quote] Sure you would. You would also have less dangerous alternatives, less violence associated with the drug trade and save a he...


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re: Casualty in the War on Drugs - RogerTheShrubber
[quote]They can't step out of their conditioning, Roger. Charts and graphs are no match for childhood social conditioning. The government, teachers, parents, preachers teach it so they believe it without question. [/quote] Yeah, we've been conditioned for too long. I was for the WoD's for much o...


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re: Casualty in the War on Drugs - RogerTheShrubber
[quote]I'm still confused on what part of my statement you are trying to refute. You keep responding with links about decriminalization. What part of my statement advocates one side of that issue or the other?[/quote] That you believe abuse is responsible for most social ills. It's not nearly as...


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re: Casualty in the War on Drugs - RogerTheShrubber
[quote] Not to mention we have to support (financially) all the prisoners, but their dependents. Going off the meme SFP posted after me earlier, that and this is basically some warped version of socialism in a twisted, shitty kind of evil way.[/quote] Right. This is difficult to believ...


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re: Casualty in the War on Drugs - RogerTheShrubber
[quote] I agree. That's why I stand by my statement that drug abuse, to include alcohol abuse, is responsible for most social ills.[/quote] [link=(http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/evaluating-drug-decriminalization-in-portugal-12-years-later-a-891060-2.html)]LINK[/link] [quote] "We ha...


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re: Casualty in the War on Drugs - RogerTheShrubber
[quote] Oxycodone and hydrocodone are FDA approved yet the term epidemic is being used to describe the growing addiction to these drugs.[/quote] Using terms like epidemic makes it easier to get federal money to fight the losing war on drugs. Even many supporters admit it's futile. It's not ...


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re: Casualty in the War on Drugs - RogerTheShrubber
[quote]People don't understand that gov't prohibition creates black markets that drives people to do violent shite and steal things to supplement it.[/quote]\ Not to mention we have to support (financially) all the prisoners, but their dependents....


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re: Casualty in the War on Drugs - RogerTheShrubber
[quote] Are the laws wrong... Maybe, maybe not... But the risk/reward aspect of dealing in large quantities of narcotics is something that should have been considered. [/quote] Was it established that he was dealing?...


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