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re: The Gaza land invasion (Day 25) ... - Duke
Since we're a civilized people, we'll just be forced to take the hard road....


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re: The Gaza land invasion (Day 25) ... - Duke
[quote]But rejecting radical Islam? I have doubts.[/quote] You should. Hell I do....


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re: The Gaza land invasion (Day 25) ... - Duke
When it comes to rejecting an idea, you can't just force it. It's an organic process....


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re: The Gaza land invasion (Day 25) ... - Duke
The Middle East has to reject Radical Islam. Us doing it just pushes the problem down the road....


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re: The Gaza land invasion (Day 25) ... - Duke
Who does Israel expect to take over if they root Hamas out/after that necessary occupation if you take out Hamas? I suspect what results is something more like ISIS. ...


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re: Ceasefire already over - Duke
[quote]Yeah...the ticket to peace and prosperity.[/quote] A more stable Gaza is the only road to peace and prosperity. The population in Gaza is very young and they have no economy to speak of there. They grew up with Israel lobbing bombs at them every few years. That's going to be a mighty secur...


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re: Note to future giraffe transporters... watch out for bridges - Duke
This is how you do a thread title folks. ...


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re: Will America ever come out of the dark ages and lower the drinking age? - Duke
[quote]did you see that 551 laws went into effect today? small gov republicans doing fine work[/quote] America....


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re: Will America ever come out of the dark ages and lower the drinking age? - Duke
Only faster vote would be for a legislative pay raise. ...


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re: Ceasefire already over - Duke
[quote]I guess that load of cement mixers and ball bearings from Turkey that got seized by the Israelis sent them over the edge.[/quote] No. It's red meat for the supporters of the assault in Israel (and apparently America). It's a war, they're surrounded and their buddies are trying to get s...


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re: Ceasefire already over - Duke
[quote]Hamas could also just signed its death warrant the IDF might go all out now.[/quote] It's a desperate play but it's their only out if they want to make a deal at some point. They need something to trade with....


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re: Ceasefire already over - Duke
[quote]Israel's proclaimed aim is to destroy all the tunnels and make Gaza a demilitarized zone. Hamas' actions makes it easy for them to justify finishing the job.[/quote] They're backed into a tiny corner with Egypt being squarely with Israel in this one. They have nothing to give to Israel to ...


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re: Ceasefire already over - Duke
[quote]It def hurts their public perception in this, shows they really give no fricks about the people they said they would liberate and protect. [/quote] It's Hamas. They aren't worried about the public perception of them. They have the Palestinians to get them sympathy. Hamas are a bunch of thug...


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re: Ceasefire already over - Duke
[quote]Hamas was trying to be sneaky if anything and it backfired. [/quote] They got what they wanted. Taking officers as prisoners gives them bargaining chips. I'm sure they expected a response and ideally one coming during the ceasefire. I don't think it backfired....


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re: Who builds Hamas' terror tunnels? - Duke
[quote]It is classic counterproductive thinking that prevents Palestinians from creating any private institutions that might function outside of the state on any appreciable scale.[/quote] Can't be said enough. It's rather strange with all the free market types. The more free the market the m...


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re: EDIT: Israel duped again! - Duke
[quote]Hamas supporters on this board[/quote] Who are those people? I see a lot of Palestinian sympathy. I've seen people critical of Israel. I haven't seen many singing the praises of Hamas. PSA: You can be critical of Israel and think Hamas are despicable. ...


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re: IDF takes out Terrorist family in Gaza - Duke
You do know it's possible to be critical of Israel and at the same time think Israel must respond to attacks or that they have a right to be a country. Comments like that are why this conversation generally goes nowhere. It's all about feeling the self righteousness of moral superiority. ...


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re: IDF takes out Terrorist family in Gaza - Duke
[quote]The only way anything like you're proposing happens is if the US gets tough with Israel and makes the money and support conditional.[/quote] Wouldn't hurt. Israel could always decide it's the better way to play the situation without us changing a thing. Unfortunately it's not as politi...


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re: IDF takes out Terrorist family in Gaza - Duke
I'm glad I'll never be the chief executive of a country. I don't doubt the difficulty. Still will criticize what I see as their mistakes and their role in it. I say that with the understanding they could do everything right and still end up with war and unnecessary violence....


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re: IDF takes out Terrorist family in Gaza - Duke
[quote]Civilian endangering tactics matter in this case[/quote] That matters. It's not going to change the perception on the ground d in Gaza. All that matters is they fight back. [quote]As long as Hamas civilian shield tactic works, there is a trade off. Unfortunately, Hamas is an unworkable...


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re: IDF takes out Terrorist family in Gaza - Duke
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re: IDF takes out Terrorist family in Gaza - Duke
[quote]That consolidation requires deference to Hamas' use of civilians as fodder. [/quote] No. It requires the "Zionist Oppressers" launching an attack. The PR battle is to have an endgame to the current round of fighting. Hamas gets support for fighting back on the ground despite their tact...


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re: IDF takes out Terrorist family in Gaza - Duke
[quote]How many rockets into Israel would it take for the support of Hamas to erode?[/quote] Zero. You let the terrorist try to govern. They will fail. Israel backs a more moderate faction with the promise of loosening the embargo. They likely install someone who isn't Hamas. Easier said than don...


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re: IDF takes out Terrorist family in Gaza - Duke
Hamas didn't do themselves any favors lobbing rockets after the arrests and the murder of that Palestinian kid. Given the political climate in Israel, a swift and disproportionate response was all but certain. It's politically useful. It's the pattern. Isolated incident. Overreaction. Overreactio...


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re: IDF takes out Terrorist family in Gaza - Duke
In all fairness to Israel, they must show some response. Letting Hamas and Gazans think lobbing rockets will get you results is a mistake. There has to be consequences. That really is awful for civilians killed in that, but the message can't be throw rockets at us and we'll just give you something. ...


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re: IDF takes out Terrorist family in Gaza - Duke
[quote]Except they gain purchase every time they use school children as defacto hostages and one of the kids gets hurt.[/quote] Nobody should be ok with that, but that isn't the discussion we're having. If Israel didn't invade with ground forces Hamas doesn't get to do that. What's the point of t...


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re: IDF takes out Terrorist family in Gaza - Duke
[quote]No. No more than if the IDF began carpet bombing whole blocks of Gaza City. However, that is not what is happening. Is it? [/quote] No. It's not a perfect analogy, but you get my point. [quote]Hamas is hiding behind the skirts of civilians. It is a human shield strategy. If Palestinian...


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re: IDF takes out Terrorist family in Gaza - Duke
[quote]Does the IDF have a policy of targeting them?[/quote] No, but it is an obvious consequence of shelling and fighting in such a densely populated area. If I were shot at on Bourbon Street on Mardi Gras and responded by firing through the crowd with a shotgun to defend myself, would that be j...


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re: Who builds Hamas' terror tunnels? - Duke
It's like everyone thinks this is primarily and exclusively a religious motivated conflict or at the very least racial. It's like all of a sudden in Gaza and the West Bank economics and politics don't matter. It does in practically every war and conflict in human history. Religious reasons obviously...


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re: Sheriff department settles revenge beating - Duke
Finally got around to watching The Wire. Thought the multiple cases of police brutality was a nice touch. ...


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