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yet another example of how Republicans are not for free market/limited government

Posted on 6/5/17 at 2:00 pm
Posted by Honky Lips
Member since Dec 2015
2828 posts
Posted on 6/5/17 at 2:00 pm
i dont know when people will wake up and realize that republicans are just as 'big government' as democrats.

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Tesla enthusiasts are urging Gov. John Bel Edwards to veto legislation the electric car company says will threaten future sales of the vehicles in Louisiana.

The electric car brand is sold through a direct-to-customer model, rather than the franchise dealership relationships that other auto manufacturers use. The amendment strips language in law that allows limited exemptions to a state ban on manufacturer-to-consumer sales.

Rep. Tanner Magee, a Houma Republican, said his amendment was added at the request of the Louisiana Auto Dealers Association and meant only to tighten the existing law.

Sen. Bodi White, a Central Republican who sponsored the original bill dealing with law enforcement vehicles, said he didn't expect the House amendment to court controversy.

White supports the amended bill and said he doesn't expect the governor will veto it.

This post was edited on 6/5/17 at 2:01 pm
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 6/5/17 at 2:01 pm to
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yet another example of how Republicans are not for free market/limited government


i dont know when people will wake up and realize that republicans are just as 'big government' as democrats.


Most people aren't really for free markets to begin with unfortunately.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112406 posts
Posted on 6/5/17 at 2:07 pm to
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i dont know when people will wake up and realize that republicans are just as 'big government' as democrats.


I weigh 150 and I like food. 600 pound people like food, too. We're all alike.
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
48294 posts
Posted on 6/5/17 at 2:07 pm to
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White supports the amended bill and said he doesn't expect the governor will veto it.

"Tesla can come in and get a license if they want to sell cars," he said.


Except that, according to the amendment and current law, licenses are only granted to franchise dealerships and not manufacturers.

Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101267 posts
Posted on 6/5/17 at 2:08 pm to
Louisiana legislators?
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
43977 posts
Posted on 6/5/17 at 2:12 pm to
I don't know that I agree that Republicans are "just as" big government as Democrats; but many of them are far more addicted to fedgov than they admit.
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
12458 posts
Posted on 6/5/17 at 2:12 pm to
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Except that, according to the amendment and current law, licenses are only granted to franchise dealerships and not manufacturers.


Nothing stopping Tesla from opening a dealership is what they are saying.

However, these are definitely some antiquated laws that need to go.

Posted by Haughton99
Haughton
Member since Feb 2009
6124 posts
Posted on 6/5/17 at 2:13 pm to
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I don't know that I agree that Republicans are "just as" big government as Democrats; but many of them are far more addicted to fedgov than they admit.


In this case they are addicted to campaign funds which come from the auto dealership cabal.
Posted by TigerWise
Front Seat of an Uber
Member since Sep 2010
35113 posts
Posted on 6/5/17 at 2:14 pm to
How does Tesla even makes money if every car they sell is at a loss ?
Posted by Pax Regis
Alabama
Member since Sep 2007
12926 posts
Posted on 6/5/17 at 2:14 pm to
Most Republicans aren't for small government. They are for governments that is friendly to established business interests. Hence the bone thrown to auto dealers.
Posted by Honky Lips
Member since Dec 2015
2828 posts
Posted on 6/5/17 at 2:14 pm to
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Nothing stopping Tesla from opening a dealership is what they are saying.



well yes, but shouldn't a free market system allow tesla to sell their cars however they want?
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
48294 posts
Posted on 6/5/17 at 2:14 pm to
quote:

Nothing stopping Tesla from opening a dealership is what they are saying.



Well, it's the very definition of circular logic.

"The law requires you do X"

"The law is antiquated and we'd rather do Y"

"Yeah, but under the law you can simply do X"
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
12458 posts
Posted on 6/5/17 at 2:16 pm to
quote:

well yes, but shouldn't a free market system allow tesla to sell their cars however they want?


Probably, but we're not a completely free market, we never were, and we will never will be.


And I think you'd be VERY hard pressed to find anyone who would support such. I mean in a real free market, I could keep my kitchen as clean as I wanted, or as dirty, and if people didn't want to die, they could choose another place to eat, for example.
Posted by LJBurton
Member since Feb 2005
1351 posts
Posted on 6/5/17 at 2:17 pm to
How does the knowledge that Tesla has banked approximately $4 Billion in government subsidies factor into this principled discussion of the free market?
Posted by Gaspergou202
Metairie, LA
Member since Jun 2016
13494 posts
Posted on 6/5/17 at 2:21 pm to
I don't know, so I'm asking.

If manufacturers cannot sell cars in Louisiana, how did Saturn do it?
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
12458 posts
Posted on 6/5/17 at 2:23 pm to
quote:

How does the knowledge that Tesla has banked approximately $4 Billion in government subsidies factor into this principled discussion of the free market?


Correct, in a "free market" GM would have went under, and Tesla wouldn't have existed in the first place.

We're a quasi free market.
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
55438 posts
Posted on 6/5/17 at 2:25 pm to
quote:

I mean in a real free market, I could keep my kitchen as clean as I wanted, or as dirty, and if people didn't want to die, they could choose another place to eat, for example.




...and?
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 6/5/17 at 2:28 pm to
What was that quote about people not really wanting to see a free man, cause of they did, it'd scare the hell out of them?

Something like that.
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
12458 posts
Posted on 6/5/17 at 2:31 pm to
quote:

If manufacturers cannot sell cars in Louisiana, how did Saturn do it?


Saturn was a subsidy of GM and their cars were sold at GM dealerships.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
33315 posts
Posted on 6/5/17 at 2:31 pm to
quote:

How does the knowledge that Tesla has banked approximately $4 Billion in government subsidies factor into this principled discussion of the free market?
Presumably the same way it factors into the "Big 3" also having received massive government support.
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