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re: @YesYoureRacist Twitter account revealing identities of Charlottesville white supremacists
Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:27 am to tiggerthetooth
Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:27 am to tiggerthetooth
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If I got fired from my job? So people are no longer free to assemble and exercise their voice without fearing for their jobs?
That has never been protected. You just can't suffer a punitive legal action for it.
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White supremacists should be free to do this in peace. IDGAF what you say. So should satanic worshippers be free to worship satan in peace and speak about it in peace. If you don't believe this, then I don't want to live in the country you think we should have.
I agree, but someone who runs a business may not. If they feel that an employee is affecting their public perception, they have every right to act in their interests.
The real problem (and it's not really applicable to this case, IMO) is what counts as acceptable views or behavior.
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Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:30 am to tiggerthetooth
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So people are no longer free to assemble and exercise their voice without fearing for their jobs?
Problem being the only way to prevent this is to legislate against the free speech of everyone else.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:31 am to HempHead
The major issue we face in America right now is that leftism is the true fascism, and anyone with anything going for them in life is not going to call them out on anything, because it's just not worth dragging their family and careers through the mud. These leftists are either unemployed or are activists, either of which doesn't nothing all day and has nothing to lose.
The left is currently winning the online culture war, and the right is just a sitting duck. If fricking terrifying. These people are so emboldened because nobody wants to face the leftwing media bullshite backlash from actually sticking it to them. It's just not worth it to anybody.
The left is currently winning the online culture war, and the right is just a sitting duck. If fricking terrifying. These people are so emboldened because nobody wants to face the leftwing media bullshite backlash from actually sticking it to them. It's just not worth it to anybody.
This post was edited on 8/14/17 at 1:33 am
Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:33 am to TigersSEC2010
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The left is currently winning the online culture war, and the right is just a sitting duck. If fricking terrifying.
Unfortunately, I think the personality type that someone on the right typically has is poor for the creation of entertainment and education, which has become incredibly leftist (and, perhaps relatively always has been). I do not know how that can be solved.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:35 am to HempHead
quote:Like you often say. It has to start at the local level. School boards and local tv programming need to be influenced by local conservatives.
I do not know how that can be solved.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:36 am to HempHead
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Unfortunately, I think the personality type that someone on the right typically has is poor for the creation of entertainment and education, which has become incredibly leftist (and, perhaps relatively always has been). I do not know how that can be solved.
I agree completely.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:36 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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This looks like a scene from the newest teen Vampire flick.
The Arian Vampire and his neck tatted Peter Lorre minion.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:37 am to iPadThai
Cool. Everyone has a right to free speech. You also have consequences that come from that right.
Ask Colin fricking Kaepernick.
That right isn't a "get out of jail free" card. No exceptions.
Ask Colin fricking Kaepernick.
That right isn't a "get out of jail free" card. No exceptions.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:39 am to HempHead
I genuinely dislike outing people this way but i want to see these people stay in their holes. A lot of these folks might be deterred from participating in these type of marches if they are going to be exposed to employers and communities.
This post was edited on 8/14/17 at 1:40 am
Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:39 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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Like you often say. It has to start at the local level. School boards and local tv programming need to be influenced by local conservatives.
I am honestly looking forward to taking a leadership role in my hometown within the next few years. I'm not rich or well-connected enough to make things happen on a big level, but I sure as hell can make my little Alabama town a place that isn't in lockstep with Cambridge.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:41 am to Rakim
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I genuinely dislike outing people this way but i want to see these people stay in their holes. A lot of these folks might be deterred from participating in these type of marches if they are going to be exposed to employers and communities.
It seems like most of the participants are students who probably still do not grasp how quickly and effectively a persona can be smeared across the web. I guarantee that there are many, many people sympathetic to the cause that had the good sense to do nothing.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:42 am to tiggerthetooth
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Especially if these were good employees at their companies. Where do we draw the line?
As soon as they were outed they no longer became good employees, but a walking time bomb of a lawsuit, which is why they were fired. Which is the exact reason why Google fired that guy everybody was defending his free speech for his letter attacking women. Every female that he works with now suddenly had a case for a hostile work environment. That guy just made himself radioactive and had to be let go. Same thing goes with these idiots.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:54 am to Tyrusrex
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As soon as they were outed they no longer became good employees, but a walking time bomb of a lawsuit, which is why they were fired
A walking time bomb with nothing to lose. shite's about to get real.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:55 am to tiggerthetooth
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So much for free speech while expecting privacy. I'd take these bastards to court for defamation for blasting my name all over the internet.
Freedom of speech =/ Freedom from consequences
The constitution doesn't protect you from being fired for saying stupid shite. It only protects you from arrest and formal prosecution for saying it.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:56 am to tiggerthetooth
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If I got fired from my job? So people are no longer free to assemble and exercise their voice without fearing for their jobs?
If we encourage such things, its going to be a blood bath. Where does it end?
I don't know where you live, but if it is in one of these states:
...And frankly most of the others as well. You probably already have had a long standing arrangement where your employer could rather easily fire you for exercising your voice or assembling in a way they disagree with.
It is that foundation that allows people that seek to shame and punish you for the way you voice your opinion to have that success.
It should also be noted that freedom of assembly and freedom of speech is not a guarantee of freedom from consequence.
I do not know what you could propose to stop this sort of modern day pillory or scarlet lettering? At least that wouldn't itself run into 1st amendment restrictions.
I say this as someone that is rather sympathetic to your angle of concern. One of the unique(and potentially troubling) aspects to this in the digital age, is that the footprint such an incident leaves, could theoretically prevent a person from ever having a true second chance in life. But if history is any indicator, my money would be that the long arc of this will bend back toward compassion over vengeance. As happened in colonial and early post-revolutionary towns that began to see some of the harsh tools of social shaming as cruel and out dated.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:57 am to tiggerthetooth
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So people are no longer free to assemble and exercise their voice without fearing for their jobs?
That was never the case
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White supremacists should be free to do this in peace.
They are, and their bosses are free to fire them.
This post was edited on 8/14/17 at 1:58 am
Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:58 am to iPadThai
It's been clear for some time now that anyone outside of the approved thought lines is fair game.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 2:04 am to bonhoeffer45
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, is that the footprint such an incident leaves, could theoretically prevent a person from ever having a true second chance in life.
Depends. Americans love a good underdog story. Especially ones involving redemption.
Some of the best hires I've ever made were recovering drunks and crackheads.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 2:08 am to Rakim
quote:I agree but youre not really outing yourself wearing your own face in public.
I genuinely dislike outing people this way but i want to see these people stay in their holes. A lot of these folks might be deterred from participating in these type of marches if they are going to be exposed to employers and communities.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 2:11 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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Like you often say. It has to start at the local level. School boards and local tv programming need to be influenced by local conservatives.
It's actually influenced by national conservatives. Check out Sinclair broadcasting.
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