That you haven't grasped that is hard for me to understand.
quote:You truly don't. Well, I have said my peace, tried to explain my position very clearly and even gone round the merry go round several times. It is in black in white.
Yeah I get it truly,
Over generalization that then causes the boogeyman to be around every corner
people remain quiet, and don't speak out,
people remain quiet, and "stay in their place" and don't object
it's below them to complain
quote:Who is the MSM? All of them? Let's just deal with specifics instead of lumping them into an over generalized group the way you dislike "the MSM" doing the same to "right wingers."
The MSM are the ones generalizing
quote:This doesn't happen regarding everything and it isn't done by all of the MSM. My call is to be better by calling out individuals for their actual words in context and quit with the over gerneralized boogeyman.
and saying the boogeyman (right wing) is behind everything violent that happens.
quote:No. The people that do it need to be held accountable and those purporting to hold them accountable need to hold themselves to a higher standard than the ones they are chastising.
the MSM needs to be held accountable for continually doing this.
Who is the MSM? All of them? Let's just deal with specifics instead of lumping them into an over generalized group the way you dislike "the MSM" doing the same to "right wingers
No. The people that do it need to be held accountable and those purporting to hold them accountable need to hold themselves to a higher standard than the ones they are chastising.
I'm against over generalizing and using confirmation basis to play the role of the constant cry baby victim and then being hypocritical in the process of holding others accountable
quote:There isn't one indication of any of these having a hope for who was responsible.
Pretty much. CNN, MSNBC, CBS have all in jumped on the "white" or "right wing" bandwagon in who they hoped was responsible. Major outlets like the NYT has as well.
quote:Fox doesn't. But yes, most media has a liberal slant. I won't argue against that.
And all major networks, and most newspapers across the nation have a pretty liberal slant.
quote:How are you still missing my point. It is the ones in the MSM that do the wrong that need to be called out. Quit with the over generalizations.
I disagree. It's the MSM that has sways the discussion in this country, by what they report, or don't report. If they're wrong, or being biased, they need to be called out on it. Rather than given a free pass to keep reporting bs that is half truth or not even truth, but left ideals and opinions.
quote:No one has even hinted that someone be given a free pass for doing this.
Rather than given a free pass to keep reporting bs that is half truth or not even truth, but left ideals and opinions.
Every point I've made in this thread has been about their generalization and how it needs to stop.
quote:Please understand that my point has not been about you as I haven't started any of these rants in response to any of your posts. I have simply responded to your responses to me. However, if we keep referring to the MSM boogeyman without specifics, we are setting ourselves up in the role of a victim without accurately and specifically identifying the who the perpetrator was and what it was that victimized you.
Not how I'm a victim. I've also not been hypocritical on other issues that I'm aware of. If you can find something I have been, then feel free to post it and I will address it.
It is the ones in the MSM that do the wrong that need to be called out
, if we keep referring to the MSM boogeyman without specifics, we are setting ourselves up in the role of a victim without accurately and specifically identifying the who the perpetrator was and what it was that victimized you.
quote:No it hasn't. People have taken one Salon article and then subscribed that idiots thoughts to the MSM saying the MSM hoped the attacker was a white male.
That's kinda what has been happening, and what I've referred to in this thread.
quote:Who? Matthews? Did he say he hoped for a [particular assailant? Did he not even correct himself from using the term right winged and changed it to extremist? Who else in the MSM has "hoped" for a right winger to be the culprit? What did they say?
I specified who I was talking about, and you've disagreed with me the whole thread about their actions.
No it hasn't. People have taken on Salon article and then subscribed that idiots thoughts to the MSM.
quote:None of them Hoped for a white male or right winger. They speculated, within reason that it was a possibility. Does their speculation that it might have been islamic extremist mean they hoped that as well. Which did they hope for more? How do you know? Should all muslims be offended for this hope of theirs?
And Matthews, and the guy from CNN and the guy from MSNBC, and you can include the tweet from CBS, and the articles from NYT.
None of them Hoped for a white male or right winger
Which did they hope for more?
How do you know?
Conservatives, be better. Don't use the same tactics as those you rail against. Don't get angry about being painted with an inaccurate broad brush and then do the same in response. Be confident that you have the best position and fight to keep the conversation on topic using fair and reasonable language. Avoid the drama queen, victim mentality. that is all.
quote:No. respond with truth and intellectual honesty. Quit assuming everything is sides and deal with the individual or individuals that are playing dirty so to speak.
If one side plays dirty, the other side should turn the cheek?
quote:The other way has worked so well the last few elections that it is hard to differentiate much between "the sides" anymore.
Unfortunately, that is a good way to lose a lot of elections.
quote:Yes. Exactly. Call out the ones playing dirty and stop making posts saying "the MSM hopes it is a white, tea partier. Now they are so disappointed they are going to cover up the truth."
The other side should at least call out those playing dirty.
quote:I call them delusional for running around alleging a scheme to avoid reporting the news and then searching high and low for some tidbit to confirm that prediction while ignoring all evidence that contradicts the big, bold, over generalized prediction.
But you call them delusional for doing so.
quote:I was tempted to initially, but was just going to move on. Your statement was fair and probably deserved a response, so here it is:
Why don't you address my statement to you?
quote:Certainly many or even most, including the talking heads at MSNBC have tried to marginalize the influence of the tea party by painting them all as lunatics and right wing extremists.
See WDE what some of us on here have seen from the left, and im talking from the President to Pelosi to Reid and many memebers of the press is a calling out of Tea party people as right wing extremist.
quote:Not really. In fact, Chris Matthews even corrected himself to identify the ones he was speculating about not as right wingers in general but only an extremist.
So when the press said's it may have been a right wing extremist it is normal everyday conservatives who they are trying to paint as these nut jobs.
quote:I'm not a proponent of silence. I'm a proponent of specificity, accuracy, fairness and holding oneself to a different/better standard than the ones you are condemning.
We will not be silent any longer.