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re: Why should we increase military spending?????
Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:08 am to I B Freeman
Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:08 am to I B Freeman
We shouldn't. We could cut spending and make our military even more lethal with a few simple changes.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:08 am to I B Freeman
WSJ has a piece today saying Trump wants to increase spending by $54 billion, about a 10% increase. OTHO, illegal immigration cost the country $113 billion a year. Just saying.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:11 am to RedPants
I told you guys this would happen. It's by design
Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:12 am to tiger1014
quote:
We should be cutting it
Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:12 am to I B Freeman
quote:Yes.
Should our goal not be to reign in our military instead of spreading it thinner?
Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:13 am to dmjones
quote:Personel is far and away the largest cost of the US military.
We need to eliminate the wasteful contracts, not increase an already bloated budget.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:13 am to Homesick Tiger
quote:
WSJ has a piece today saying Trump wants to increase spending by $54 billion, about a 10% increase. OTHO, illegal immigration cost the country $113 billion a year. Just saying.
That's 113 billion at all levels of government combined. It's about 30 billion at the federal level. Apples to apples.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:14 am to TJGator1215
quote:
I told you guys this would happen. It's by design
Or promise. He's only said for over a year he was going to strengthen the military. Common sense says that will require more spending.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:16 am to Homesick Tiger
The most qualified of all Presidents to address military spending--Eisenhower--warned of what we face today:
quote:
A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction.
Our military organization today bears little relation to that known by any of my predecessors in peacetime, or indeed by the fighting men of World War II or Korea.
Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations.
This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.
In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.
Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades.
In this revolution, research has become central; it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.
Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.
The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present and is gravely to be regarded.
Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientifictechnological elite.
It is the task of statesmanship to mold, to balance, and to integrate these and other forces, new and old, within the principles of our democratic system -- ever aiming toward the supreme goals of our free society.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:16 am to I B Freeman
Lol at all the sheep that said trump was against the military industry complex.
He wants to take off the cap on military spending.
He wants to take off the cap on military spending.
This post was edited on 2/27/17 at 10:54 am
Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:16 am to Homesick Tiger
quote:
Or promise. He's only said for over a year he was going to strengthen the military. Common sense says that will require more spending.
You could easily strengthen the military and spend less. Conservatives constantly argue that this is the case with things like education and other government programs. Funny how it conveniently doesn't apply to the military....Gotta throw money at that.
Rationalization.
This post was edited on 2/27/17 at 10:17 am
Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:18 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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Personel is far and away the largest cost of the US military.
We had huge personnel cuts across the board in 2013/14
and now in 2017 we don't have enough people and the services are like we fricked up.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:18 am to cahoots
Let's not pretend Democrats don't love military spending as much as republicans. Plenty of these planes and ships and tanks get made in Democrat states and districts.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:20 am to I B Freeman
I think the American consensus at this moment is more of a fortress America approach. A modernized military that can win wars that stays at home.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:20 am to StraightCashHomey21
quote:Yeah the wars ended around that time. It makes sense to cut the military to pre Afghanistan and Iraq levels. We have more than enough people if we would change our policy in certain parts of the globe.
We had huge personnel cuts across the board in 2013/14
and now in 2017 we don't have enough people and the services are like we fricked up.
Also military retirement and entitlements need to be on the table.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:22 am to Lsupimp
quote:Our Army and Air Force should be primarily National Guard/Reserve functions. The active component should be focused largely on the Navy.
I think the American consensus at this moment is more of a fortress America approach. A modernized military that can win wars that stays at home.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:26 am to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:
Let's not pretend Democrats don't love military spending as much as republicans. Plenty of these planes and ships and tanks get made in Democrat states and districts.
The military industrial complex applies to everyone. However, in recent years, Obama and the dems have shown some restraint in military spending. Trump plans to increase off the bat. Hard to rationalize that.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:26 am to I B Freeman
We are ok with thinning up our Military while China and Russia bulk up theirs? That's what I'm Getting in this thread.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:28 am to cahoots
quote:Not really in any significant way. The Iraq was winding down when he took office so it was easy to decrease the size of the military. And I don't think he actually cut funding, just didn't increase it. I'm not going to give him any credit for being frugal with the military. I think he failed miserably at it.
However, in recent years, Obama and the dems have shown some restraint in military spending.
quote:I don't plan on rationalizing that.
Trump plans to increase off the bat. Hard to rationalize that.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:32 am to I B Freeman
Spend less on defense, and roll that money to veterans. While we're at it, get rid of bullshite handouts and give that to veterans as well.
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