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re: Why should we increase military spending?????

Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:08 am to
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:08 am to
We shouldn't. We could cut spending and make our military even more lethal with a few simple changes.
Posted by Homesick Tiger
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Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:08 am to
WSJ has a piece today saying Trump wants to increase spending by $54 billion, about a 10% increase. OTHO, illegal immigration cost the country $113 billion a year. Just saying.

Posted by TJGator1215
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Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:11 am to
I told you guys this would happen. It's by design
Posted by Aubie Spr96
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Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:12 am to
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We should be cutting it
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:12 am to
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Should our goal not be to reign in our military instead of spreading it thinner?
Yes.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:13 am to
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We need to eliminate the wasteful contracts, not increase an already bloated budget.
Personel is far and away the largest cost of the US military.
Posted by cahoots
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Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:13 am to
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WSJ has a piece today saying Trump wants to increase spending by $54 billion, about a 10% increase. OTHO, illegal immigration cost the country $113 billion a year. Just saying.


That's 113 billion at all levels of government combined. It's about 30 billion at the federal level. Apples to apples.
Posted by Homesick Tiger
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Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:14 am to
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I told you guys this would happen. It's by design


Or promise. He's only said for over a year he was going to strengthen the military. Common sense says that will require more spending.
Posted by I B Freeman
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Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:16 am to
The most qualified of all Presidents to address military spending--Eisenhower--warned of what we face today:

quote:

A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction.

Our military organization today bears little relation to that known by any of my predecessors in peacetime, or indeed by the fighting men of World War II or Korea.

Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations.

This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades.

In this revolution, research has become central; it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.

Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.

The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present and is gravely to be regarded.

Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientifictechnological elite.

It is the task of statesmanship to mold, to balance, and to integrate these and other forces, new and old, within the principles of our democratic system -- ever aiming toward the supreme goals of our free society.


Posted by StraightCashHomey21
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Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:16 am to
Lol at all the sheep that said trump was against the military industry complex.

He wants to take off the cap on military spending.
This post was edited on 2/27/17 at 10:54 am
Posted by cahoots
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:16 am to
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Or promise. He's only said for over a year he was going to strengthen the military. Common sense says that will require more spending.


You could easily strengthen the military and spend less. Conservatives constantly argue that this is the case with things like education and other government programs. Funny how it conveniently doesn't apply to the military....Gotta throw money at that.

Rationalization.
This post was edited on 2/27/17 at 10:17 am
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
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Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:18 am to
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Personel is far and away the largest cost of the US military.


We had huge personnel cuts across the board in 2013/14

and now in 2017 we don't have enough people and the services are like we fricked up.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:18 am to
Let's not pretend Democrats don't love military spending as much as republicans. Plenty of these planes and ships and tanks get made in Democrat states and districts.
Posted by Lsupimp
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Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:20 am to
I think the American consensus at this moment is more of a fortress America approach. A modernized military that can win wars that stays at home.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:20 am to
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We had huge personnel cuts across the board in 2013/14

and now in 2017 we don't have enough people and the services are like we fricked up.
Yeah the wars ended around that time. It makes sense to cut the military to pre Afghanistan and Iraq levels. We have more than enough people if we would change our policy in certain parts of the globe.

Also military retirement and entitlements need to be on the table.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:22 am to
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I think the American consensus at this moment is more of a fortress America approach. A modernized military that can win wars that stays at home.
Our Army and Air Force should be primarily National Guard/Reserve functions. The active component should be focused largely on the Navy.
Posted by cahoots
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:26 am to
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Let's not pretend Democrats don't love military spending as much as republicans. Plenty of these planes and ships and tanks get made in Democrat states and districts.


The military industrial complex applies to everyone. However, in recent years, Obama and the dems have shown some restraint in military spending. Trump plans to increase off the bat. Hard to rationalize that.
Posted by CavalryAg07
ChiTown
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:26 am to
We are ok with thinning up our Military while China and Russia bulk up theirs? That's what I'm Getting in this thread.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:28 am to
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However, in recent years, Obama and the dems have shown some restraint in military spending.
Not really in any significant way. The Iraq was winding down when he took office so it was easy to decrease the size of the military. And I don't think he actually cut funding, just didn't increase it. I'm not going to give him any credit for being frugal with the military. I think he failed miserably at it.

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Trump plans to increase off the bat. Hard to rationalize that.
I don't plan on rationalizing that.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:32 am to
Spend less on defense, and roll that money to veterans. While we're at it, get rid of bullshite handouts and give that to veterans as well.
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