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Why does the left have to group in all "non violent" drug offenders?
Posted on 1/19/17 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 1/19/17 at 3:59 pm
Does anyone with an IQ above room tempature really believe selling weed is the same as selling crack or heroin? Is someone who stoops to selling heroin ever going to contribute to society?
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Posted on 1/19/17 at 4:00 pm to NIH
Hey, now I've got something to do. 
Posted on 1/19/17 at 4:01 pm to NIH
I bet none of them carried a firearm or ever committed any other crimes than "getting high."
Posted on 1/19/17 at 4:02 pm to shrevetigertom
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I bet none of them carried a firearm or ever committed any other crimes than "getting high."
I'd take that bet.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 4:03 pm to NIH
I'd also love to know how many of the their "violent" offenses were nol prossed in order to accept a plea deal for the non-violent drug offenses.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 4:04 pm to NIH
I'm all for reform of the drug laws, but many of these offenders plead out their gun or violence charges, so they are not on the offical record.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 4:09 pm to shrevetigertom
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I bet none of them carried a firearm or ever committed any other crimes than "getting high."
Put them in jail for carrying a firearm if they were carrying it illegally or for other crimes they committed. We shouldn't put people in cages for choosing to ingest substances.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 4:24 pm to NIH
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Does anyone with an IQ above room tempature really believe selling weed is the same as selling crack or heroin? Is someone who stoops to selling heroin ever going to contribute to society?
I would wager to say that most people who stoop to selling heroin probably get in a bit of violence at one point
Heroin and crack users, on the other, not necessarily so
Posted on 1/19/17 at 4:31 pm to shrevetigertom
I'm talking about dealers. It's ridiculous how the left ropes them all into one category. One who sells crack or heroin is probably not someone who can be rehabilitated.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 4:33 pm to NIH
Try not to be too upset about it, they will be back in jail within 2 years for the same offenses or worse.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 4:35 pm to NIH
Most of these federal charges are pleas. They don't report on the companion charges which were dropped for the plea agreement. These people are not the guy selling a nickel bag to his buddies. They are accepting the plea because a trial would result in conviction and a much longer sentence
Posted on 1/19/17 at 4:37 pm to tigerfootball10
I'm aware. I get a kick out of leftists and uninformed libertarians who equate heroin and crack dealers to their college weed dealer.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 4:37 pm to NIH
This is just going be like replaying Pokémon. We get to catch 'em all over again.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 4:38 pm to NIH
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I'm talking about dealers. It's ridiculous how the left ropes them all into one category. One who sells crack or heroin is probably not someone who can be rehabilitated.
Depends on the person. In my experience, many if not most street level "dealers" are just flipping product to support their own habit.
Now, that's in state court. If the Feds are coming down on you for dealing, you're likely in the business. Even still, saying someone who sells crack can't be rehabilitated seems horribly broad brush. I know of murderers who have been rehabilitated.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 4:42 pm to Joshjrn
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horribly broad brush. I
There are exceptions to everything, of course. The average person who resorts to such a thing has given up on society in such a way that there's generally no turning back. Recidivism isn't because the system is evil, it's because dumb people make poor choices.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 4:44 pm to NIH
I will admit my example is a rare case. But, I knew a guy who slang green and heroine at the same time and you would never expect it honestly. Aside from that, yes selling weed is that the same as selling the others.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 4:47 pm to NIH
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Recidivism isn't because the system is evil, it's because dumb people make poor choices.
Dumb people do make poor choices. That's part of our recidivism rate. The other part is that our prisons aren't really set up to rehabilitate. Most of our prisons warehouse people, then we're surprised when people aren't rehabilitated
Posted on 1/19/17 at 4:54 pm to Joshjrn
I'm no fan of the prison systems, I still firmly believe a large majority of felony offenders are likely unreachable, no matter what kinds of programs you'd install. When you're not taught right or wrong growing up, it's hard to grasp that suddenly as an adult. This country is fixated on talking about the symptoms and not the causes. The same thing goes with healthcare. People worry about insurance and drugs and not that half of our country is frickin' obese.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 4:57 pm to NIH
quote:I'm confused, is this an argument for or against drug legalization?
The average person who resorts to such a thing has given up on society in such a way that there's generally no turning back.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 4:58 pm to NIH
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I'm no fan of the prison systems, I still firmly believe a large majority of felony offenders are likely unreachable, no matter what kinds of programs you'd install.
I disagree. Some are, most aren't.
I do agree that it's vastly more cost effective to get involved early in life instead of trying to fix adults, however.
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