- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
Posted on 9/20/17 at 9:59 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Yes, good point. Slowing of healthcare inflation has been one of the primary achievements of the ACA era and goes to show that expanding coverage doesn't necessarily worsen per capita spending or health care inflation.
I'll make you an ACA defender yet.
I'll make you an ACA defender yet.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:03 pm to TigerDoc
Nice try.
The chart shows our cost growth has been at or below OECD average for nearly 2 decades/
The chart shows our cost growth has been at or below OECD average for nearly 2 decades/
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:06 pm to BBONDS25
Often yes, but often not - the problem occurs for people who make too much to qualify for medicaid or much ACA subsidy but not enough to continue to pay all expenses out of pocket or be able to meet their deductibles, co-pays, and premiums.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:07 pm to BBONDS25
How many?
All.
100%
Head count irrelevant.
All are covered.
England
France.
Germany.
All.
100%
Head count irrelevant.
All are covered.
England
France.
Germany.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:12 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Your chart shows 12 years and a dramatic reduction in inflation from '09 to '11 compared to the decade before that.
This is '70 - '05 from the Kaiser Foundation. The red line is the American system. Starting in the 90's things really get out of hand.
This is '70 - '05 from the Kaiser Foundation. The red line is the American system. Starting in the 90's things really get out of hand.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:14 pm to TigerDoc
What's the obesity rate of France, GB, and the Scandinavian countries with Universal Healthcare?
How active is the average individual in those countries compared to here?
What's the diet like over there? Here?
What's the racial makeup there? Here?
And of course there's the whole population thing.
How active is the average individual in those countries compared to here?
What's the diet like over there? Here?
What's the racial makeup there? Here?
And of course there's the whole population thing.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:22 pm to TigerDoc
quote:
a dramatic reduction in inflation from '09 to '11
The data actually shows that slowing in the growth of healthcare costs began around 2004-2007, mainly due to the proliferation of HSA's, deductibles, and other cost-sharing mechanisms.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:30 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:
Look, I have sympathy for those with pre-existing conditions, but why must they get priority over the 85%+ of Americans who simply want lower premiums and costs?
Look at the bright side, you wont have to pay a lot until youre really sick. If you get really sick you wont have to worry about paying high premiums for very long, though your estate might. It all balances out.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:31 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
You may be right about that attribution. Here's the more recent data from CMS. It's bumpy but the real significant change happens in the late aughts. That's probably the recession first but that can't account for more recent years. Picking up again, though...
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:34 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Not sure if it has been covered yet, but did Cassidy lie to Jimmy Kimmel, or not?
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:35 pm to beerJeep
quote:
And of course there's the whole population thing.
This argument actually lends more credence to individual states having healthcare rather than the federal govt.
There are more people in Europe than the US.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:39 pm to TigerDoc
Fed reserve seems to imply the downward trend was happening before recession.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:47 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Here's another chart:
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:49 pm to NYNolaguy1
quote:
This argument actually lends more credence to individual states having healthcare rather than the federal govt.
I'm perfectly OK with the states deciding. California wants to go single payer? Coolio. Go for it. Let's see how that turns out.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:52 pm to CelticDog
quote:
There has never been one word about cost to consumer of heath care by gop.
Instead the proposal caps spending per capita.
It just means states will get less money to spend on medicaid people.
There is nothing in it that reduces the costs of services.
Has Obamacare reduced the cost of services? Has Obamacare reduced the cost of drugs?
I thought this was about health insurance.
Graham/Cassidy will reduce the cost of insurance premiums for those in the individual market for states who choose to implement the right solutions. If the states choose to keep Obamacare or implement single payer...you are fricked. Otherwise your premiums have no where to go but down.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:58 pm to frogtown
Right. Neither party plan does anything about costs.
Sanders plan does.
Therefore he is marginalised.
Sanders plan does.
Therefore he is marginalised.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:58 pm to TigerDoc
quote:Nope. The uninsurable are uninsurable because their risk is too high. In fact, it's not a risk at all, it's a certainty.
The "uninsurable" are only uninsurable if you allow insurance companies to exclude them.
We're going to have a hard time having any sensible discussion if you don't know what a risk is.
quote:Nope. They do no such thing. They ration (deny) care all the time. .
Every other OECD nation guarantees all citizens healthcare
quote:then it's not insurance. And it ceases to be a tool to manage risk.
If we were to start with the proposition that all citizens get insurance
quote:Huh? You believe insurance companies have incentive to keep prices high?
the incentive will be there to finally bring our inefficiencies in healthcare spending under control.
quote:You're confusing costs and prices. Costs aren't really effected by number of people covered by insurance. A hip implant doesn't get cheaper to manufacturer because a person has insurance.
We get it backwards by trying to get costs down first before expanding coverage. It needs to work the other way.
Expanding coverage drives costs up for anyone that doesn't get expensive treatment. And the simple fact that a small minority drive the majority of the expenses means that covering them will raise, not lower prices to paying majority. It's simple math.
This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 10:59 pm
Posted on 9/20/17 at 11:01 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
So let's bring this back to your OP. I take it you wouldn't mind a return to the pre-ACA world of pre-existing condition exclusions? The reason for the comprehensive reform including mandate, guaranteed issue, and subsidies was to avoid the climbing numbers of uninsured and reverse them. Those numbers were still climbing in the US prior to the ACA. They've fallen dramatically since. Graham-Cassidy would undo a lot of that.
Does
Does
Posted on 9/20/17 at 11:07 pm to TigerDoc
quote:Let's see your model.
we could still get better access, less cost growth, and similar quality to what we have now.
quote:Is this a joke? They already get it. At other's expense. So much of it, they are driving prices up.
But we'd have to make peace with the idea that po' folks deserve care
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News