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blueboy
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Why do teachers' unions exist?

I thought the whole (stated) point of unions was to protect workers from the tyranny of private industry. Why would people who are basically employed by the government be unionized? Isn't the government basically just a big union itself?

Yes, I know the unions are made up of more than just public school teachers, but why would ANY public employee need to be in a union?


Politiceaux
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re: Why do teachers' unions exist?
The answer to the original question is clearly because they put the students first.

The answer to the second question was a brainchild of the Kennedys to be a power base for the democrat party. It's worked beautifully for them.


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TreeFiddy
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Yes, I know the unions are made up of more than just public school teachers, but why would ANY public employee need to be in a union?


to avoid the tyranny of the government, or to participate in the tyranny. One or the other.


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re: Why do teachers' unions exist?
The Southern working man is his own worst enemy. Look at all the resources and productivity we have and yet our workers make less per unit of output than others.


Bamapossum
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re: Why do teachers' unions exist?
The answer is pretty convoluted.

While teachers get paid from monies provided by local, state, and federal funds, they are not exactly government employees. Teachers work on an annual contract basis and are hired and maintained by local school boards.

The unions/associations exist to keep this arrangement from being manipulated or abused. They are the only government employees that can be fired annually and lose all benefits. (Hence the tenure laws that everyone gripes about.) Without tenure, the local boards could simply fire every teacher in May then rehire them in August and never pay them benefits. Just like the temp services do with other fields.


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Why do teachers' unions exist?


Control.


JEAUXBLEAUX
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re: Why do teachers' unions exist?
Somebody needs to bleed the states dry


avondale88
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re: Why do teachers' unions exist?
Here in Alabama they are currently paying a couple of teachers who are in jail for sex offenses.


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ShortyRob
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The Southern working man is his own worst enemy. Look at all the resources and productivity we have and yet our workers make less per unit of output than others.


That's awesome and all but really, which would you rather be.

1)The guy who CAN earn $100 per unit of output but is restricted by economic realities to only 2 units of output AND, it costs him more to acquire units of output

or

2)The guy who CAN earn $50 per unit of output but is able to sustain 10 units of output in the same period AND, it costs him less per unit of output

(NUMBERS FOR ILLUSTRATION ONLY)

It does you little good if you CAN earn a high wage to unit of productivity but no one will hire you to do it in a quantity that will suffice.

Hence, the net migration FROM states with this problem TO states that do not have it.


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Roaad
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Control.
The correct answer.

And to fight education reform.


Zach
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Why do teachers' unions exist?


They exist to extract dues from teachers to give money to Democrats. I thought everyone already knew that.


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RogerTheShrubber
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Control.

The correct answer.

And to fight education reform.



True. Unions are big business and are about money, power and control. Education reform runs counter to those goals.

Using the new left wing vernacular, teachers unions would be "big Ed."


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JWS3
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re: Why do teachers' unions exist?
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While teachers get paid from monies provided by local, state, and federal funds, they are not exactly government employees. Teachers work on an annual contract basis and are hired and maintained by local school boards.


Employees working in most corporate jobs are not under contract, and are employed "at will" in most states, meaning they can be terminated at any time without reason. This rarely happens due to the cost of recruiting and training employees with special skill sets. In other words economic forces play a large role in employment, if a company gets a reputation for dumping workers in favor of temps, they will have difficulty attracting top talent. Teaching should be subject to the same economic forces by getting rid of the union and tenure.


thebearisdead
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re: Why do teachers' unions exist?
Yeah unions drive me crazy.. I work at an army depot, and there's even have a fricking union there!

Union member = Not smart enough to keep my job

Companies don't get rid of assets, they cut liabilities. So all you union pricks,


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Tigah in the ATL
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re: Why do teachers' unions exist?
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I thought the whole (stated) point of unions was to protect workers from the tyranny of private industry
Well, it's to protect the worker from management.

Unions exist solely to help their members.
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Isn't the government basically just a big union itself?

No.


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Tigah in the ATL
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Employees working in most corporate jobs are not under contract, and are employed "at will" in most states, meaning they can be terminated at any time without reason.
That is not really true. There is still labor law to be followed, and also the "implied contract" between worker & company.


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