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re: Why do Socialism Deniers ignore the overwhelming evidence that Socialism doesn't work

Posted on 4/28/17 at 1:06 pm to
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39382 posts
Posted on 4/28/17 at 1:06 pm to
Why do modern collectivists believe that a penis is a social contruct and that human nature is uncorruptible when it comes to sexuality, yet the innate human desire to be free can be somehow socially engineered right out of a m'f'er?
This post was edited on 4/28/17 at 1:08 pm
Posted by TigerBlazer
Member since Aug 2016
836 posts
Posted on 4/28/17 at 1:09 pm to
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I say ship them in groups to places like Venezuela to live for one year, then back to the US for a one year term on the northern and southern borders. If after that they still want to be little pinkos, revoke their citizenship and send them to any communist country that will have them.


So you are saying its ok to kidnap and use force to indoctrinate people to live the way you want them to, or else revoke their citizenship bc they disagree with you?

And you dont see the hypocrisy. SMFH

Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 4/28/17 at 1:10 pm to
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Why do Socialism Deniers ignore the overwhelming evidence that Socialism doesn't work by cokebottleag
Like all problems liberals have with logic, their problem is that they see the world in snapshot.

This is why, for a period of time, liberals rode the USSR's cock. Then, they rode Cubas. Then, they rode Venezuela's.

They think that when you pass a policy, if it doesn't cause the nation to melt into the ocean in the first week, then those who warned of the dangers were wrong.

Here. I'll help. If tomorrow, the United States did exactly what Hugo Chavez did and nationalized just about everything, it would be like manna from heaven.

For a period of time, rank and file Americans would be THRILLED. It would seem completely awesome.

It's like passing out the results of the best farmer's crops to everyone. In year 1, that shite seems great. But, it completely ignores the drivers for why that farmer did so well.

Socialists see all the booty nations build while not socialist and thing, "cool, pass that shite out".

They never seem to grasp why that booty was accumulated in the first place.

And, when they see the RESULTS of this path elsewhere, because it doesn't happen IMMEDIATELY, they can't bring themselves to admit the proximate cause.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41643 posts
Posted on 4/28/17 at 1:11 pm to
Nothing can be done. It's a belief system that cannot be falsified to the believer.

Those who push the most for it don't actually live in it and cling to the ideal. Those who live in it get accustomed to it and can't imagine life otherwise. Those who don't live in it but see the downsides to it as it exists in other countries still cling to the ideal and think that those other countries didn't implement it effectively.
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
55438 posts
Posted on 4/28/17 at 1:11 pm to
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So you are saying its ok to kidnap and use force to indoctrinate people to live the way you want them to, or else revoke their citizenship bc they disagree with you?



Probably better than letting them agitate for socialism. lrn2Pinochet
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41819 posts
Posted on 4/28/17 at 1:11 pm to
Most Americans do not favor 100% socialism.

That's enough Rush Limbaugh for the day

Most ppl with any sense realize we have a mixed economy which is failing because of corruption and exploitation. Fixing that is the goal but then you dumbasses elected Donald Trump who happens to personify the issue

Just lol folks
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 4/28/17 at 1:16 pm to
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Most ppl with any sense realize we have a mixed economy which is failing because of corruption and exploitation.

Can we get a definition of "failing" here?

I mean, I'm not completely happy with the U.S. economy, but, I mean.......I've seen the rest of the world. If we're failing..........

But, to your point. My problem with the left is when they CORRECTLY identify that the strong centralized government is corruptible but believe the solution to this is to give the strong centralized government more power to police up the corruption it is ALREADY proven to be susceptible to.

I have never for 1 minute comprehended why liberals fear private enterprise power MORE than government power.

Both are prone to abuse. But, only one owns the tanks, jails and the police and has the power of law behind it.

The worst run companies of the 1950s are gone.

The worst government ideas of the 1950s are expanded.
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41819 posts
Posted on 4/28/17 at 1:23 pm to


Prisons, healthcare, internet provider options etc are all epic privatized failures

But "muh socialism" fear mongerers are too low IQ to realize we'd be better off if certain aspects of society were not privatized
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
55438 posts
Posted on 4/28/17 at 1:25 pm to
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Prisons, healthcare, internet provider options etc are all epic privatized failures



All of these sectors are heavily regulated, and in the case of prisons, the entire demand curve is from government entities, not private consumers.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 4/28/17 at 1:26 pm to
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Prisons,
Aren't fully privatized. They get their revenue 100% as a result of government policy.

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healthcare
Isn't even close to a failure. I do realize that liberals have bought some hilariously faulty logic on this subject. But, faulty it is.

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internet provider options
LOL. Now you're just begging.

Posted by UnAnon
Breaux Bridge
Member since Sep 2013
6433 posts
Posted on 4/28/17 at 1:27 pm to
sounds like capitalism
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41819 posts
Posted on 4/28/17 at 1:27 pm to
The whole idea of for profit prisons just seems beyond backwards to me
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 4/28/17 at 1:27 pm to
Oh, and I asked for a definition of "failing" in terms of our "economy".

I mean........if we're failing........the ain't no one succeeding.
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
48294 posts
Posted on 4/28/17 at 1:27 pm to
To describe our healthcare system as a failure is to absolutely deny reality.


And the answer to limited internet provider options is to grant sole control to the government?



Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
13313 posts
Posted on 4/28/17 at 1:27 pm to
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So you are saying its ok to kidnap and use force to indoctrinate people to live the way you want them to, or else revoke their citizenship bc they disagree with you?


Not quite, but thanks for playing. I'm saying our republic is based upon capitalism, and the Constitution. If your only contribution to society is to advocate the destruction of those two things, to be replaced with your failed ideology, proven time and again, you should not have the privilege of living off of the fruits that the system you want to destroy produces.
This post was edited on 4/28/17 at 1:28 pm
Posted by cahoots
Member since Jan 2009
9134 posts
Posted on 4/28/17 at 1:27 pm to
Exactly. I can objectively say that ISPs and prisons are generally much better when they are not privatized as they are in the US.

The best society is the one that mixes private industry with government in the right combination.
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41819 posts
Posted on 4/28/17 at 1:28 pm to
Internet service should be subsidized like running water and in time will be

It's that important
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 4/28/17 at 1:28 pm to
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To describe our healthcare system as a failure is to absolutely deny reality.


Exactly. It's literally a form of insanity.

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And the answer to limited internet provider options is to grant sole control to the government?
That one just made me
Posted by TheXman
Middle America
Member since Feb 2017
2975 posts
Posted on 4/28/17 at 1:29 pm to
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internet provider options etc are all epic privatized failures


Yeah what could go wrong with allowing the US government to be the sole provider of the internet? Jesus Christ.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 4/28/17 at 1:29 pm to
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Yeah what could go wrong with allowing the US government to be the sole provider of the internet? Jesus Christ.
Well. I would have to guess the Intel Community would find it convenient.
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