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benhamin5555
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Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist?

Wikipedia on "economic liberalism": LINK

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Economic liberalism is the ideological belief in organizing the economy on individualist lines, such that the greatest possible number of economic decisions are made by private individuals and not by collective institutions.


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it tends to oppose government intervention in the free market when it inhibits free trade and open competition.


Wikipedia's definition of "conservativism": "Conservatism (Latin: conservare, "to retain") is a political and social philosophy that promotes retaining traditional social institutions"

So as somebody who favors a strong free market, private business and less economic government intervention, I have a much easier time calling myself "liberal" than "conservative". I think the words get mixed up a lot and everybody seems to have their own definition. Liberalism to me is the emphasis on both personal economic freedom. The original definition of "liberalism" is what most people call "libertarianism" today. Conservativism originally was the emphasis on "traditional" social structures: what most call "social conservativism" today.


CarrolltonTiger
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re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist?
because US socialists prefer to be known as liberals and have worked hard to confuse the masses


jeff5891
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re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist?
if you think either one is socialist then you have no clue as to what you are talking about


tdt
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re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist?
neither of those posts make any sense fwiw


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CarrolltonTiger
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re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist?
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if you think either one is socialist


either of what groups? what are you writing about?

Socialists are socialists. what are you writing about?


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CITWTT
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re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist?
Wikipedias definition for anything is BS. You most probably are one of the people that get thier news from John Stewart and Colbert(yes they do exist).


benhamin5555
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re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist?
Contrary to popular belief Wikipedia tends to be quite accurate on almost anything.


Y.A. Tittle
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re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist?
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Economic liberalism is the ideological belief in organizing the economy on individualist lines, such that the greatest possible number of economic decisions are made by private individuals and not by collective institutions.


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it tends to oppose government intervention in the free market when it inhibits free trade and open competition.



Are you contending that these are central tenants of American "liberalism"?


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tdt
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re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist?
the problem is that if you go into political and economic theory these words dont mean the same things they do in modern american politics


NC_Tigah
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re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist?
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Contrary to popular belief Wikipedia tends to be quite accurate on almost anything.
But in your case you're mixing metaphors.


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joshnorris14
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re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist?
Wikipedia's definition for economic Liberalism doesn't match up with how the term is used in America. American Liberalism is largely tied to Egalitarianism as opposed to Individualism.


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Zach
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re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist?
Liberals are communists. Socialism just sounds nicer.


tdt
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re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist?
neoliberalism is basically conservatism


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BayouBandit24
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re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist?
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the problem is that if you go into political and economic theory these words dont mean the same things they do in modern american politics


Exactly.


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Draconian Sanctions
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re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist?
I'm liberal and it's absurd that the right wants to label increasing the top tax rate a few percentage points (still well behind what it was for most of the 20th century) as communism or socialism. It's just flat out false.

Now I do support true socialized health care. But that's it really. I would give up a lot of welfare and unemployment benefits to get it.
This post was edited on 11/13 at 4:40 pm


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RogerTheShrubber
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re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist?
I haven't met a liberal yet who didn't at least like the idea of socialism in some form.


MFn GIMP
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re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist?
Wait liberals and Democrats today are "classical liberals?" What the heck are you smoking?


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RuLSU
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re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist?
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I haven't met a liberal yet who didn't at least like the idea of socialism in some form.

I've never met a single human being who actively believed in 'socialism.' Never, not once.

Furthermore, I'm far more likely to vote democrat then republican and I don't want socialism.


RogerTheShrubber
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re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist?
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I've never met a single human being who actively believed in 'socialism.' Never, not once.


You must be very young, and very isolated



RuLSU
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re: Why do so many people think "liberal" means socialist?
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You must be very young, and very isolated

Neither.

Socialism doesn't work. It is contrary to human nature, and I've literally never met someone who felt otherwise.

More laws? Sure. More taxes for the rich? Sure. Universal health-care? Sure. We could debate the merits of these concepts all day, but none of them are directly related to socialism.

Government controlling the means of production, or a simplified "centrally planned economy" ? Nope, I've never heard that.


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