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Why do pro lifers not support Welfare Reform
Posted on 12/1/16 at 7:54 am
Posted on 12/1/16 at 7:54 am
Please hear me out.
I understand that from a conservative view, abortion is killing a person. However, you all have to realize that in most abortion cases (outside of bad decisions and rape) people involved simply can't afford to take care of the kid.
It's a vicious cycle, force poor people to have kids cause 'it is the right thing' but then become angry when they have no choice but to use the welfare system or any of the social programs for said kids you deemed had to be born.
I know that we shouldn't have to spend our tax dollars supporting laziness and poor decisions.
Honestly, I think we should create a system that is prolife but has a punishment for having more than 2 kids with a gross income below a certain level (I'll let you guys decide on that). Pro choice can still exist based on states, but only with private funding with a few federal clinics for special cases (ie rape, etc)
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Posted on 12/1/16 at 7:56 am to volod
I'm not sure what you're getting at?
Posted on 12/1/16 at 7:57 am to volod
What? I think most right wing pro-lifers are heavy supporters of welfare reform.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 7:57 am to volod
You've managed to badly mangle together two entirely different subjects.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 7:59 am to volod
Your question is strange.
I am pro life and support welfare reform. Stop rewarding laziness and irresponsibility while changing a program that leads to a lifetime of dependency.
I am pro life and support welfare reform. Stop rewarding laziness and irresponsibility while changing a program that leads to a lifetime of dependency.
This post was edited on 12/1/16 at 8:01 am
Posted on 12/1/16 at 7:59 am to volod
What did people do before FDR and Roe v Wade?
Posted on 12/1/16 at 7:59 am to volod
because welfare comes from government which has its own punk arse agenda and poor people can be helped along by those who truly care about poor people with out the need from an agenda driven government that does not have those poor peoples interest in mind. You libs think government is always the only option, wrong
Posted on 12/1/16 at 8:00 am to volod
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I understand that from a conservative view, abortion is killing a person
That perspective is not a conservative tenant. There are conservatives who are pro abortion just like there are liberals who oppose the pratice.
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force poor people to have kids
Who is forcing them to reproduce?
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when they have no choice but to use the welfare system
I have no problem with someone using the welfare system in order to move themselves ahead in life. It's the lifelong members of the welfare system who are the problem.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 8:01 am to volod
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I understand that from a conservative view, abortion is killing a person.
By any measure it is killing a person. The question is if your are okay with that (I believe that your rights do not supersede any other person's rights born or unborn). Also, I heavily believe in not having welfare. People need to suffer the consequences of their decisions. Don't want a kid? Don't have sex (there is the issue of rape but a majority of abortions are not because of rape). The only time I think abortion should be allowed is in the case of the life of the mother.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 8:01 am to volod
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we shouldn't have to spend our tax dollars supporting laziness and poor decisions
This. You start from a point that assumes it's everyone else's job to fix everyone's problems and bad choices. It's not.
You don't get to murder your baby out of convenience. And I don't have to help you pay for consequences either. Both can be true simultaneously.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 8:03 am to volod
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I understand that from a conservative view, abortion is killing a person.
I'm not sure I would call this a "conservative" view. There is no doubt that abortion ends a life. It's not even debatable.
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However, you all have to realize that in most abortion cases (outside of bad decisions and rape) people involved simply can't afford to take care of the kid.
Link?
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It's a vicious cycle, force poor people to have kids cause 'it is the right thing' but then become angry when they have no choice but to use the welfare system or any of the social programs for said kids you deemed had to be born.
A better way to handle this would be to make it easier for people to adopt. We've made it a joke to kill an unborn baby, and almost impossible for someone to adopt one.
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Honestly, I think we should create a system that is prolife but has a punishment for having more than 2 kids with a gross income below a certain level (I'll let you guys decide on that).
This post was edited on 12/1/16 at 8:05 am
Posted on 12/1/16 at 8:05 am to volod
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Please hear me out.
I'll try
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I understand that from a conservative view, abortion is killing a person.
Stopped reading right there
Posted on 12/1/16 at 8:07 am to volod
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force poor people
False
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they have no choice
False
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laziness and poor decisions.
True
Posted on 12/1/16 at 8:08 am to volod
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Why do pro lifers not support Welfare Reform
False premise. My guess is most pro lifers do support welfare reform.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 8:10 am to volod
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when they have no choice but to use the welfare system or any of the social programs for said kids you deemed had to be born.
They always have choices! Use a condom or some sort of birth control or get off their arse and work to get a better paying job......assuming they even have one. I shouldn't have to pay for someone's screwup.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 8:11 am to volod
Pay people for voluntary sterilization.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 8:12 am to volod
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people involved simply can't afford to take care of the kid
If you can't afford to take care of a kid, don't have one. Shouldn't American citizens be personally responsible? Is that really too much to ask?
Posted on 12/1/16 at 8:14 am to volod
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pro lifers
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Welfare Reform
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Where do I sign up? I'm a 30 year old, heterosexual male who started having sex at 14. No kids because I was responsible and used protection. Also went to college and have a good job not utilizing the welfare system.
ETA: And I'm told from the progressives that I am what is wrong with this country. MAGA
This post was edited on 12/1/16 at 8:15 am
Posted on 12/1/16 at 8:19 am to volod
What do you mean by 'welfare reform' ???
The reform I want is in the direction of eliminating it instead of expanding it.
The reform I want is to quit rewarding bad behavior and instead begin to - if not punish it - allow bad behavior to result in the bad consequences that naturally follow.
I would want to rescue children from this environment - adoption, foster care, or institutions - rather than allow them to breed more dysfunctional examples.
I would not feed able bodied person who was unwilling to do the work that "americans just won't do." I would let them starve if that were their heartfelt choice. Hunger has a way of changing priorities.
Charity towards the poor should only be from willing individuals - who can decide who is "worthy" of their largesse. Governmental 'welfare' should be only for the truly disabled who cannot engender any private charity - and then only for hygiene purposes - don't want people rotting on the sidewalks. .
The reform I want is in the direction of eliminating it instead of expanding it.
The reform I want is to quit rewarding bad behavior and instead begin to - if not punish it - allow bad behavior to result in the bad consequences that naturally follow.
I would want to rescue children from this environment - adoption, foster care, or institutions - rather than allow them to breed more dysfunctional examples.
I would not feed able bodied person who was unwilling to do the work that "americans just won't do." I would let them starve if that were their heartfelt choice. Hunger has a way of changing priorities.
Charity towards the poor should only be from willing individuals - who can decide who is "worthy" of their largesse. Governmental 'welfare' should be only for the truly disabled who cannot engender any private charity - and then only for hygiene purposes - don't want people rotting on the sidewalks. .
Posted on 12/1/16 at 8:20 am to volod
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However, you all have to realize that in most abortion cases (outside of bad decisions and rape) people involved simply don't want to afford to take care of the kid.
FIFY
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