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re: Why are so few truly Automatic guns used in Mass Shootings?
Posted on 10/4/17 at 3:17 pm to Rougarou13
Posted on 10/4/17 at 3:17 pm to Rougarou13
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They were rare BEFORE the ban.
Oh really? You people are stupid. Truly ignorant, educate yourselves for God sake's.
Just one example, in 1980 fully 23% of all murders in Miami were committed with fully automatic weapons . That not rare. That's just one city one year. It wasn't an anomaly.
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Posted on 10/4/17 at 3:18 pm to beaverfever
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You can give up all of your freedom and there still wouldn’t be any guarantee of safety.
Those who give up liberty for safety deserve neither.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 3:20 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
quote:1980 in Miami? That’s a pretty interesting choice for ‘one city one year’.
That's just one city one year.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 3:20 pm to Rougarou13
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Those who give up liberty for safety deserve neither.
Maybe you should study what Franklin was really talking about........
LINK
And in fact, the safest places have the MOST liberty, not the other way around.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 3:20 pm to americanrealism
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So start leaving your home unlocked since the outlaws are going to get in anyway. What's that? Feel better sleeping behind a locked door? I thought so.
My homes always unlocked. As is my car. You wanna try to break in, go ahead.
But, you see, that would be a simple saying. Basically it says that Criminals don't follow laws. So making a law saying don't do this won't stop them. And... It's true.
Does making a gun free zone make you safer? Nope.
Do speed limits stop speeding? Nope.
Drug laws? Nope
So what makes you think gun laws will work? Those who want to commit a crime with a firearm will do it regardless. All it does is make a softer target.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 3:22 pm to BamaAtl
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Why are so few truly Automatic guns used in Mass Shootings?
Because they aren't necessary to do these kinds of things.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 3:22 pm to BamaAtl
Bc of supply and demand, a machine gun is not the most efficient way to kill someone either dumbass.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 3:23 pm to BamaAtl
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So gun control works?
Weird, people here say it doesn't work with zero data to support that
Whoa.
You're so slick
No one saw that setup.
ROFLMAO
So what specific control are you proposing
Posted on 10/4/17 at 3:24 pm to beaverfever
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1980 in Miami? That’s a pretty interesting choice for ‘one city one year’.
True enough, but chosen for a reason. the murder rate in Miami was high all through the 80s and 90s, for obvious reasons. but pre 1986 ban automatic weapons were used to commit those murders roughly a quarter of the time, post 1986 ban , not so much, proving the ban DID work. Also proving that banning automatic weapons had little effect on the overall murder rate, BUT that is a different argument. The claim that the ban on automatic weapons didn't decrease the number of murders committed with automatic weapons is false.
Likewise, if a similar ban were passed on handguns, of course you would see less murders committed with handguns. Now clearly those people who want to murder would just use a different weapon to do so, but that wouldn't change the fact that less people were being murdered by handguns.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 3:25 pm to Shepherd88
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Bc of supply and demand, a machine gun is not the most efficient way to kill someone either dumbass.
What does the economic law of supply and demand have to do with this topic ?
Posted on 10/4/17 at 3:26 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
How many of these full autos were properly registered and legally owned under the NFA?
Posted on 10/4/17 at 3:27 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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True enough, but chosen for a reason. the murder rate in Miami was high all through the 80s and 90s, for obvious reasons. but pre 1986 ban automatic weapons were used to commit those murders roughly a quarter of the time, post 1986 ban , not so much, proving the ban DID work.
You sure that was the ONLY thing that changed during that time? You've set up the perfect ergo propter fallacy here.This post was edited on 10/4/17 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 10/4/17 at 3:28 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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Now clearly those people who want to murder would just use a different weapon to do so
I really don't disagree with this or necessarily support more gun control.. but come on, the gun helps.
On the same day as the Newtown massacre there was a maniac in China who attacked a school and went on a stabbing spree. Zero people died.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 3:28 pm to BamaAtl
You really thought you had something here, didn't you?
Posted on 10/4/17 at 3:28 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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What does the economic law of supply and demand have to do with this topic ?
Gun 1 is 3x more expensive than Gun 2 and is roughly equal on effectiveness. Gun 2 is bought more and at an increasing rate. Gun 1 becomes less widely manufactured and available, becoming more rare and expensive. Thus, less prevalent to be used in situations like this. That's how.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 3:29 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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Also proving that banning automatic weapons had little effect on the overall murder rate, BUT that is a different argument.
Wouldn't it be the only one (argument) that really matters?
Posted on 10/4/17 at 3:30 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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Maybe you should study what Franklin was really talking about.
He was referring to a specific incident. If you read the article then you would see that the very man stating it is not used as Franklin stated says that it is applicable.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 3:32 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
quote:I can’t deny that you could probably ban certain weapons and lower the body counts for some crimes. Honestly the right would probably make the deal to get rid of certain weapons tomorrow if they actually believed that the left wouldn’t just go after the rest of their weapons the very next day. Unfortunately you can’t negotiate with leftists.
Likewise, if a similar ban were passed on handguns, of course you would see less murders committed with handguns. Now clearly those people who want to murder would just use a different weapon to do so, but that wouldn't change the fact that less people were being murdered by handguns.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 3:36 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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You really thought you had something here, didn't you?
Posted on 10/4/17 at 3:39 pm to Taxing Authority
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