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SlowFlowPro
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re: Why are so few truly Automatic guns used in Mass Shootings?
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"other people have gotten it right, time and time and time and time again.

a. they don't have a 2nd Amendment. we do

b. they don't have the underclass problem that skews our data. well South/Latin America do, and they kill your argument, but i'm talking about Western European and Anglo countries (which i assume is what you're limiting your comments to)

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Let's copy their work

would be illegal in the US.


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re: Why are so few truly Automatic guns used in Mass Shootings?
The most obvious "gotcha" thread I've seen in weeks. Can't believe how many jumped right in......



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Jbird
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What would you suggest to make mass murdering with semi-automatic weapons less efficient?


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Y.A. Tittle
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re: Why are so few truly Automatic guns used in Mass Shootings?
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Ingeniero


That's an astounding chart.


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mmcgrath
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re: Why are so few truly Automatic guns used in Mass Shootings?
likewise person to person sales are illegal. You have to go through a licensed gun shop that is allowed to handle such weapons. Which is really how ALL private gun sales should be handled.

Does anyone know if fully automatic guns are registered as well?

ETA: Quick search found that they are. You can't even move without updating.
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SlowFlowPro
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Does anyone know if fully automatic guns are registered as well?




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beaverfever
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re: Why are so few truly Automatic guns used in Mass Shootings?
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inefficiency
This. Isn’t the most common use for fully automatic weapons just using the burst mode? Full auto firing is crazy expensive and would be used more as suppressive fire from what I’ve read.
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re: Why are so few truly Automatic guns used in Mass Shootings?
"They who can give up essential Liberty to obtain a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety".

Ben Franklin


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re: Why are so few truly Automatic guns used in Mass Shootings?
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But proper gun control? Everywhere it's enacted, gun violence / gun deaths decrease.


I thought Chicago had the strictest gun laws there are. Do you think the guys killing each other there will sell their guns back? Probably not. Because everyone knows the gang banger around the corner didn't give his up.


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Full auto firing is crazy expensive and would be used more as suppressive fire from what I’ve read.

that is pretty much the only use for automatic fire

automatic fire is completely inefficient and impossible to be accurate while firing


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Full auto guns were never even produced or out there in a considerable quantity even when they were legal.


Which is the only way to have real gun control. Ban the manufacture and sale of these weapons. If they're not made in the first place, no one can obtain something that doesn't exist.

I agree that laws concerning bump stocks and magazine capacity will never work. The only thing that will work is a total ban. Automatic weapons have been banned since the 30's and their manufacture and importation has been banned since 1986 (I think it was). So after 30 years of no new guns being manufactured or imported, it has made the ones in circulation extremely valuable. This means it is extremely hard to obtain one even if you are a criminal who doesn't care about legalities.

Make it illegal for Colt or other companies to manufacture them here and make it illegal for foreign companies to import them. It might not stop the Mexican cartels from importing their own illegally, but that's an issue we would have regardless (and I think a pretty minor issue, really).


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The Democratic People's Republic of Korea, commonly known as North Korea, strictly prohibits the use, ownership, manufacture, or distribution of firearms by any citizen not serving in the military or special sectors of the government "executing official duties". Anyone in violation of firearms laws are subject to "stern consequences"




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ninthward
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re: Why are so few truly Automatic guns used in Mass Shootings?
they cost 12k legally


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Jbird
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re: Why are so few truly Automatic guns used in Mass Shootings?
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Let's copy their work instead of setting ourselves on fire inside of this box made of gasoline and wood because the NRA likes to roast marshmallows..."
What a screeching tool.


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Rougarou13
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re: Why are so few truly Automatic guns used in Mass Shootings?
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If the guy could stockpile 40+ weapons and enough ammo to kill >50 and injure >500 in minutes from hundreds of yards away, and it was all legal until he pulled the trigger...maybe it shouldn't have been


I have enough weapons and ammo sitting 10 feet from me right now to do the same. Yet the only thing my guns have ever killed are deer/hogs/ducks/beer cans. It’s not the guns that is the problem. It’s people. When you have someone who values human life so little that they’re able to kill an outrageous number of them without flinching, then they’re the problem.

Like liberals killing all those babies.


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re: Why are so few truly Automatic guns used in Mass Shootings?
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Just curious. What stops a mass murderer from using a truly automatic weapon? Why don't we see more of them used?


Prior to 1934, they actually were rare in crime but their use was popularized by media fascination with Al Capone. Furthermore the 250,000 in circulation says a bit more than regulation.



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Which is the only way to have real gun control. Ban the manufacture and sale of these weapons.

literally the only way any of these plans would work

the problem is that tens of millions of citizens legally use semi-automatic rifles every year when hunting, so banning those is not only likely illegal, but politically impracticable. once the gun control crowd admits they don't want to ban semi-auto rifles, then they lose the "assault weapon" argument. at best you lose pistol grips, which won't do anything to stop the exact scenarios they scream about from occurring


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Clyde Tipton
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re: Why are so few truly Automatic guns used in Mass Shootings?
There is no trap. This highlights that if you make something "hard to get" or illegal, people will work around it.

So say they ban bump fires, someone will come up with something else to make a weapon rapid fire.

My problem with the idea of over regulation or out right banning is that next it will be hi capacity mags, then collapsible stocks, then semi autos, then pumps, etc etc etc. The result is criminals still commit crimes and you've denied an overwhelming majority of people their rights.


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I thought Chicago had the strictest gun laws there are.
Something Indiana something something something.


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SlowFlowPro
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re: Why are so few truly Automatic guns used in Mass Shootings?
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My problem with the idea of over regulation or out right banning is that next it will be hi capacity mags, then collapsible stocks, then semi autos, then pumps, etc etc etc. The result is criminals still commit crimes and you've denied an overwhelming majority of people their rights.


their argument would be more reasonable if we could ignore the reality that 300M+ guns are legally possessed in the US

that's why "outright ban" is the only policy that makes sense with their proclaimed goals


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