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Why are France and the U.K. targeted the most by Islamists in Europe?
Posted on 5/23/17 at 7:29 am
Posted on 5/23/17 at 7:29 am
Is it because of their involvement on the world stage? If so, why is Germany not subjected to more of these larger scale, news gathering attacks? Of course Germany is dealing with larger numbers of migrants, but their attacks seem on a much smaller scale. Why not Italy to a lessor degree?
Is it because of the historical projection of power of these two nations? Both nations have a history of colonization and rule of Muslim regions.
Is it about prevalence of religion in these two nations vs the rest of the major European players? If so, why is Italy not attacked like this?
Personally I think it's some of all of the above and the idividualism of those societies. Both the Brits and French have strong national identities and cultures. Both, especially recently, but Britain since the inception of the EU, are two of the least willing to further European integration into one collective in the EU. Simply put, I think the British and French populations are the least willing to accept further dilution of their national sovereignty and identities that come with further strengthening and centralization of the EU. A united Europe has the potential to be a massive and highly technical force. Do I think this is or was ever likely? No, not for any extended period of time because of the differing cultures. People have a natural desire to be different in this respect. The French don't want to be like the Brits. The Brits don't want to be like the French, or the Germans, or the Italians. People want to have their own societal identities.
I think the English and French symbolize European power and to take one of them out and remove them from the group would be a major statement. This would then instill doubt in the EU in the rest of Europe. I think lessor nations like Greece and Italy are believed to be easier to remove from the group given their financial situations and to attack them may encourage the opposite affect as the English and French. They may seek more security from the EU instead of going alone because they are lessor military powers with far less resources. I think the islamists are fine with remaining silent in this sense (no larger scale attacks) to play the long game here.
I think there may be a wariness of the German people because of their history of barbarism and their more recent military rise in WWI and WWII. I think they are needling the Germans with smaller individual attacks while they continue to migrate in large numbers. If they can isolate Germany from the other two major European powers, they give themselves better odds of conquering continental Europe.
All of these thoughts are based on the notion that their goal is a global caliphate. Their logical first major step is Europe both because of history and geography.
What say you?
Is it because of the historical projection of power of these two nations? Both nations have a history of colonization and rule of Muslim regions.
Is it about prevalence of religion in these two nations vs the rest of the major European players? If so, why is Italy not attacked like this?
Personally I think it's some of all of the above and the idividualism of those societies. Both the Brits and French have strong national identities and cultures. Both, especially recently, but Britain since the inception of the EU, are two of the least willing to further European integration into one collective in the EU. Simply put, I think the British and French populations are the least willing to accept further dilution of their national sovereignty and identities that come with further strengthening and centralization of the EU. A united Europe has the potential to be a massive and highly technical force. Do I think this is or was ever likely? No, not for any extended period of time because of the differing cultures. People have a natural desire to be different in this respect. The French don't want to be like the Brits. The Brits don't want to be like the French, or the Germans, or the Italians. People want to have their own societal identities.
I think the English and French symbolize European power and to take one of them out and remove them from the group would be a major statement. This would then instill doubt in the EU in the rest of Europe. I think lessor nations like Greece and Italy are believed to be easier to remove from the group given their financial situations and to attack them may encourage the opposite affect as the English and French. They may seek more security from the EU instead of going alone because they are lessor military powers with far less resources. I think the islamists are fine with remaining silent in this sense (no larger scale attacks) to play the long game here.
I think there may be a wariness of the German people because of their history of barbarism and their more recent military rise in WWI and WWII. I think they are needling the Germans with smaller individual attacks while they continue to migrate in large numbers. If they can isolate Germany from the other two major European powers, they give themselves better odds of conquering continental Europe.
All of these thoughts are based on the notion that their goal is a global caliphate. Their logical first major step is Europe both because of history and geography.
What say you?
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Posted on 5/23/17 at 7:30 am to DabosDynasty
Because they're weak and have been largely very accommodating to the Moslem virus
Posted on 5/23/17 at 7:30 am to DabosDynasty
The only real surprise to me is that more attacks haven't occurred in Sweden or Denmark or Belgium or Russia. It seems like the UK and France attacks make sense - what doesn't make sense is the relative lack of attacks in the other spots.
Germany hasn't had such a large Muslim population for as long.
Germany hasn't had such a large Muslim population for as long.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 7:31 am to DabosDynasty
Because France and England are allied more strongly with the U.S. than, say, a Germany. America is the great satan, Israel is the little satan. This makes France and Britain baby satans.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 7:32 am to DabosDynasty
Because they're the most western (American-like) countries to be overridden with militants. Mostly because they can pose as poor migrants to get there.
A lot of this is the fault of the Eurozone's open borders.
The US still has mostly wannabes...but they're trying to get here.
A lot of this is the fault of the Eurozone's open borders.
The US still has mostly wannabes...but they're trying to get here.
This post was edited on 5/23/17 at 7:33 am
Posted on 5/23/17 at 7:32 am to SirWinston
I agree. There have been many attacks in Russia but not to the sophistication of the attacks in the U.K. and France. But I think they're wary of pissing off the Russians given their military history and Putin.
This post was edited on 5/23/17 at 7:34 am
Posted on 5/23/17 at 7:40 am to DabosDynasty
Because they are, and always have been pussies. Liberal ones at that
Posted on 5/23/17 at 7:42 am to Eli Goldfinger
quote:
AUstar & Eli Goldfinger: Because they're more western
I can see that as a factor too. Why wouldn't Italy fall under that logic and warrant more attacks also? Italy is very westernized as well.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 7:48 am to DabosDynasty
quote:
I can see that as a factor too. Why wouldn't Italy fall under that logic and warrant more attacks also? Italy is very westernized as well.
Because they see France and Britain as being more closely allied with America. Italy was an adversary of America (and France and Britain) just 70 years ago. The Muslims liked Hitler and Mussolini because they hated Jews (although for different reasons than the Muslims).
Posted on 5/23/17 at 7:49 am to GeeOH
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Because they are, and always have been pussies. Liberal ones at that.
I think that's a quick argument. I have that initial thought, but on a historical global scale, I don't see this. The Brits and French maintain the two strongest forces in Europe and historically have had vast projections of power. I see it in the French far more than the Brits though. I could give you the French due to recent history, but not the Brits.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 7:56 am to AUstar
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Because they see France and Britain more closely allied with America. Italy was an adversary of America (and France and Britain) just 70 years ago. The Muslims like Hitler and Mussolini because they hated Jews (although for different reasons than the Muslims).
True. If I'm not mistaken Hitler admired or at least saw potential in Islam. I think because it would have inspired more Germans to seek global domination and would have made Germany even more unstoppable in his mind. I think he saw Christianity as a weak religion.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 8:31 am to DabosDynasty
Britain and France were heavily involved in carving up the Middle East. Im sure they'll still seen as "evil imperialists"
More recently, both were involved in the war on terror and France outlawed some Muslim clothing.
More recently, both were involved in the war on terror and France outlawed some Muslim clothing.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 8:51 am to DabosDynasty
A lot of attacks are by second generation muslims. Many of them are in poverty and blame racism or discrimination for their plight. This makes them easy targets for radicalization.
They have a false romantic vision islam.
They have a false romantic vision islam.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 8:52 am to DabosDynasty
quote:
Why wouldn't Italy fall under that logic and warrant more attacks also? Italy is very westernized as well
May people don't see Italians as 'white'.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 8:53 am to DabosDynasty
quote:
Why are France and the U.K. targeted the most by Islamists in Europe?
Because of their open door immigration policies of the 70's and 80's.
The same open door immigration policies the liberals want to have here.
European leaders realize their ignorance now in 2017.
Liberals will never understand their ignorance.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 8:54 am to Strannix
quote:
Because they're weak and have been largely very accommodating to the Moslem virus
Lead-off home run!
Posted on 5/23/17 at 9:09 am to udtiger
Yeah I get the immigration policies. That is absolutely a major part of the problem, but that's true of all of the EU, not specific to the U.K. and France
Posted on 5/23/17 at 9:19 am to Eli Goldfinger
quote:
Many people don't see Iatlians as 'white.'
True, but they have a more western society and their religious history and historic monuments would seem to make them a target. I'd imagine if say Eqypt began to seriously westernize, they'd attack them in a larger scale too for that reason and they aren't white.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 9:33 am to DabosDynasty
quote:
Is it because of their involvement on the world stage? If so, why is Germany not subjected to more of these larger scale, news gathering attacks? Of course Germany is dealing with larger numbers of migrants, but their attacks seem on a much smaller scale. Why not Italy to a lessor degree? Is it because of the historical projection of power of these two nations? Both nations have a history of colonization and rule of Muslim regions. Is it about prevalence of religion in these two nations vs the rest of the major European players? If so, why is Italy not attacked like this? Personally I think it's some of all of the above and the idividualism of those societies. Both the Brits and French have strong national identities and cultures. Both, especially recently, but Britain since the inception of the EU, are two of the least willing to further European integration into one collective in the EU. Simply put, I think the British and French populations are the least willing to accept further dilution of their national sovereignty and identities that come with further strengthening and centralization of the EU. A united Europe has the potential to be a massive and highly technical force. Do I think this is or was ever likely? No, not for any extended period of time because of the differing cultures. People have a natural desire to be different in this respect. The French don't want to be like the Brits. The Brits don't want to be like the French, or the Germans, or the Italians. People want to have their own societal identities. I think the English and French symbolize European power and to take one of them out and remove them from the group would be a major statement. This would then instill doubt in the EU in the rest of Europe. I think lessor nations like Greece and Italy are believed to be easier to remove from the group given their financial situations and to attack them may encourage the opposite affect as the English and French. They may seek more security from the EU instead of going alone because they are lessor military powers with far less resources. I think the islamists are fine with remaining silent in this sense (no larger scale attacks) to play the long game here. I think there may be a wariness of the German people because of their history of barbarism and their more recent military rise in WWI and WWII. I think they are needling the Germans with smaller individual attacks while they continue to migrate in large numbers. If they can isolate Germany from the other two major European powers, they give themselves better odds of conquering continental Europe. All of these thoughts are based on the notion that their goal is a global caliphate. Their logical first major step is Europe both because of history and geography. What say you?
Or it could be purely coincidental. Cells in those two countries possibly have more radical, influential leaders. Those leaders have created more of a radicalized culture within their communities - leading more willing to sacrifice for their cause.
Probably has little to do with those countries not bending over backwards enough.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 9:34 am to DabosDynasty
quote:Ya know, it's stylish and popular to say that about the French, but I don't think that's the case.
quote:
Because they are, and always have been pussies. Liberal ones at that.
I think that's a quick argument. I have that initial thought, but on a historical global scale, I don't see this. The Brits and French maintain the two strongest forces in Europe and historically have had vast projections of power. I see it in the French far more than the Brits though. I could give you the French due to recent history, but not the Brits.
The Brits did engage the Argentines about the Falklands and not care about world politics, but other than that, they have been pretty passive.
The French weren't above sinking Greenpeace ships for what amounted to being annoyances. Also, I was looking into some old military collectables recently, and during my research, found out the French Foreign Legion is still alive and kicking, and deployed in various parts of the world, outside of where you see "active" French troops. That gives the French a more discreet form of military intervention, one I don't think the Brits possess.
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