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Who is ready to blow up the Senate "Rules"
Posted on 3/24/17 at 8:45 am
Posted on 3/24/17 at 8:45 am
What would it take for the leadership to just say = 'screw it - we are going back to purely constitutional constraints.'
I have long supported all the arcane 'rules' in the senate because they require more than just knee-jerk marginal majority to 'cause things to happen.' This kind to 'slow down' works just fine as long as a large majority of the senate are moral and honest people.
What we have now is a cabal of utterly amoral dishonest vipers exploiting the very rules that THEY put in place for other nefarious reasons to wreak vengeance on the 'other party.'
If Reid could just unilaterally void a 'senate rule' = and if Byrd could establish a 'senate rule' that now makes in almost impossible for the GOP to create real legislation, why cannot McConnel just create a 'new rule' that says = "Majority wins on everything.'
We know that if DEMs ever regain control they are going to get rid of the filibuster anyway - unless they have a maintainable 60-40 edge.
I say we strike the first blow and just get rid of it altogether = for everything. And go ahead and get rid of all the other 'rules' that inhibit what the majority wants to do.
The DEMs destroyed the system - no need to keep on rearranging the deck chairs as the ship is sinking.
I have long supported all the arcane 'rules' in the senate because they require more than just knee-jerk marginal majority to 'cause things to happen.' This kind to 'slow down' works just fine as long as a large majority of the senate are moral and honest people.
What we have now is a cabal of utterly amoral dishonest vipers exploiting the very rules that THEY put in place for other nefarious reasons to wreak vengeance on the 'other party.'
If Reid could just unilaterally void a 'senate rule' = and if Byrd could establish a 'senate rule' that now makes in almost impossible for the GOP to create real legislation, why cannot McConnel just create a 'new rule' that says = "Majority wins on everything.'
We know that if DEMs ever regain control they are going to get rid of the filibuster anyway - unless they have a maintainable 60-40 edge.
I say we strike the first blow and just get rid of it altogether = for everything. And go ahead and get rid of all the other 'rules' that inhibit what the majority wants to do.
The DEMs destroyed the system - no need to keep on rearranging the deck chairs as the ship is sinking.
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Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:00 am to ChineseBandit58
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why cannot McConnel just create a 'new rule' that says = "Majority wins on everything.
Requires a spine.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:01 am to ChineseBandit58
they play dirty. fight fire with fire
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:02 am to Jake88
And a sack with something in it.....
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:03 am to ChineseBandit58
quote:Well the electoral college exists for much of the same reason (i.e., protects against mob rule), so this seems like a lot like a left wing position.
I say we strike the first blow and just get rid of it altogether = for everything. And go ahead and get rid of all the other 'rules' that inhibit what the majority wants to do.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:03 am to ChineseBandit58
Get rid of the procedural filibuster and make the opposition party hold the floor.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:09 am to shinerfan
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Get rid of the procedural filibuster and make the opposition party hold the floor.
Agreed. The virtual filibuster is what has created this problem. The two-speech rule and requiring the opposition to hold the floor is the antidote to this nonsense. Republicans appear to be too lazy to do what could easily be done on Gorsuch.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:12 am to ChineseBandit58
This should be first thing trump argued for in his inaugural address
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:16 am to buckeye_vol
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Well the electoral college exists for much of the same reason (i.e., protects against mob rule)
Apples to oranges! EC is cemented in the Constitution and requires an amendment to change. Senate rules are rules put in place by Senate votes, and can be replaced by Senate votes.
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so this seems like a lot like a left wing position.
Exactly! Senate rules for judicial approval required some measure of bipartisan support!
Harry Reid and the Dimocrats changed that to favor libtard judges, and now they want to block a conservative SCOTUS judge with the old rule.
Time for round 2: fairness demands it. Let's all play by the new rules!
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:16 am to ChineseBandit58
Were you saying this when the Rs were a minority in the Senate and using filibuster just as much as it is used today?
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:21 am to buckeye_vol
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ell the electoral college exists for much of the same reason (i.e., protects against mob rule), so this seems like a lot like a left wing position
Correct, and they've acted on it without repercussion. Is there another way to fight fire other than fire?
Do you have a suggestion?
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:21 am to buckeye_vol
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Well the electoral college exists for much of the same reason
The Electoral College is in the Constitution.
Regarding the House and Senate, all the Constitution states is that each body determines its own rules. The House doesn't have filibusters and limits speaking on a matter (usually 30 minutes total, equally divided between proponents and opponents).
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:22 am to ChineseBandit58
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:22 am to Haughton99
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Were you saying this when the Rs were a minority in the Senate and using filibuster just as much as it is used today?
I, for one, was saying exactly the same thing about scrapping the "gentlemen's filibuster", but leaving the option of an old school filibuster that shuts down the Senate. I've called for that many times in my post history.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:25 am to Haughton99
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Were you saying this when the Rs were a minority in the Senate and using filibuster just as much as it is used today?
He probably didn't but the Republicans did not filibuster Kagan or Sotomayor.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:50 am to ChineseBandit58
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'screw it - we are going back to purely constitutional constraints
I have been saying this for a while.
Here is the thing. When Harry Reid threw out the long standing "Statesman agreements of Senate rules" and went to 51 votes a couple years back it was officially over.
Now the day of simple majority, which is all the constitution EVER required, are upon us. The Republicans are fools if they don't take advantage of it right now because the next time the dems are in power they sure as hell will.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:21 am to shinerfan
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Get rid of the procedural filibuster and make the opposition party hold the floor.
Yeah - I have always been disgusted with the 'procedural filibuster' - this alone may solve many of my problems with the 'rules' - at least there would be a definite end to the delay.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:31 am to Haughton99
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Were you saying this when the Rs were a minority in the Senate and using filibuster
No - and I admitted as much in my OP. I love the role of the Senate in slowing down legislation, but not so much for confirmations.
However - the advent of the new DEM alliance with the devil has removed them from the ranks of honorable men - IMHO.
They are purely partisan animals now - and allowing them the veneer of 'loyal opposition' has been a joke since the Bork episode. And it has gotten worse since then.
There is no way to work with DEMs on any kind of sensible solution to any problem - I would not even trust them to act honorably in a time of national crisis. They are on a mission to destroy the underpinnings of the nation as it was founded in their zeal to set up some 3rd world government with them in permanent control. They would gladly subject America to 3rd world status as long as THEY were in unchallenged control rather than have to compete for periodic control of a prosperous/free/moral nation.
There are extremely few truly honorable DEMs on the national scene today.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:36 am to ChineseBandit58
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However - the advent of the new DEM alliance with the devil has removed them from the ranks of honorable men - IMHO.
Did you watch McConnell's senate under Obama, they obstructed everything
Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:57 am to Loserman
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Now the day of simple majority, which is all the constitution EVER required, are upon us. The Republicans are fools if they don't take advantage of it right now because the next time the dems are in power they sure as hell will.
That's it.
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