quote:Right, and people who do work should be able to do those things. Provide assistance to people who truly need help, and are WORKING.
Isn't this why we fricking work and earn money?
I fear you're right, but that doesn't mean we should give up.
People can pay for their own goddamn frick-medicine.
The way I look at things, people should be able to feed/clothe/house themselves. In all but very high rent metropolitan areas these things should be within reach, even for the poor. Are there people who need welfare/food stamps/public housing? Yes. There are also people who don't but receive them and we should work to transition people out of those programs.
Healthcare is something that can be cost prohibitive for a lot of working people without employer provided health insurance and low wages, and becoming more so every year. It's a matter of prioritizing need and where money should be spent.
If you think republicans oppose contraception, do you also think they oppose healthcare, because they don't support the government form of it?
epublicans are not against contraception, republicans are against forcing employers to provide contraception. I hope you see the difference.
Would you support severe restrictions on the system you advocate, so that abuse is prevented?
I see what you're saying, I just think you're attacking the issue/problem the wrong way
I don't support government healthcare by any means BUT if we're going to implement one I would prefer we attack the core problems first.
Plus coming on here and saying we are fricked up because we don't have universal healthcare will draw some ire
Either way, I get where you're coming from
It would be much more effective if one were to live a few years in a European country, then come back, than to make a judgement simply by reading statistics.
Hell, for all know, the conservative parties in Europe are throwing statistics out there that glorify our system.
It would be much more effective if one were to live a few years in a European country, then come back
quote:I agree, but probably for different reasons than you. I think any system that has a hideous mix of government and private interests, stuck in a web of confusion and regulations, is bound to be a disaster.
The current system is absolutely pathetic.
quote:I think you and I are on the same page here.
PERFECTLY said. Bravo.
Socialized medicine IS a form of welfare. It is a redistributive program. Do you think the vast majority of Americans who currently approve of their healthcare in this country would just magically switch over to a system that is guaranteed to be more inefficient.
If you want a government run system, make it so that only people that use it will pay taxes that fund it.
I think any system that has a hideous mix of government and private interests, stuck in a web of confusion and regulations, is bound to be a disaster.
quote:This is the single biggest threat of a socialized system.
We don't have to start out that way, but, it will soon be a matter of national security that we need to compel healthy living.
quote:We need this for education, big time. The amount of inequality that public education has produced in this country is really shameful, imo. As Condoleeza Rice said, you can look at a zip code and see if someone is receiving a good education or not. I hope something like that would not happen under socialized medicine.
I'd prefer something with primarily vouchers and healthy competition and choices for people.