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What Stops the Use of Prisoners?
Posted on 9/13/17 at 8:51 am
Posted on 9/13/17 at 8:51 am
The wife and I were discussing this on the way to work this morning: what law/statue/regulation stops (or at least hampers) the use of prisoners from doing things like mowing and garbage pickup along the highways? I know garbage pickup can be part of the community service for some misdemeanors, but why is it limited to just that?
To go into it a little deeper, why are prisoners allowed to do little or nothing all day? I would think a better way to reduce recidivism would be to offer more of a carrot/stick option.
For those who commit violent crimes (including lifers) or have attempted escape: you get no choice, you work on a chain gang. This group is heavily managed and they dig ditches, mow grass, pick up trash, clean graffiti, etc.
For non-violent crimes (especially if they are serving 10 years or less) they have a choice of education or work. If they choose education they are then tested to see if they have at least a GED level of education. If they do not, they take classes to bring them to that level. Once they achieve that or if they already have it they can learn vocational skills.
The key to the education portion is that they must pass their testing or else they go to the chain gang for a while.
To go into it a little deeper, why are prisoners allowed to do little or nothing all day? I would think a better way to reduce recidivism would be to offer more of a carrot/stick option.
For those who commit violent crimes (including lifers) or have attempted escape: you get no choice, you work on a chain gang. This group is heavily managed and they dig ditches, mow grass, pick up trash, clean graffiti, etc.
For non-violent crimes (especially if they are serving 10 years or less) they have a choice of education or work. If they choose education they are then tested to see if they have at least a GED level of education. If they do not, they take classes to bring them to that level. Once they achieve that or if they already have it they can learn vocational skills.
The key to the education portion is that they must pass their testing or else they go to the chain gang for a while.
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Posted on 9/13/17 at 8:54 am to Bard
Because
Posted on 9/13/17 at 8:56 am to Bard
I see prisoners picking up garbage all the time
A lot of them like the time outside the can
A lot of them like the time outside the can
Posted on 9/13/17 at 8:58 am to Bard
Not the 13th Amendment.
It specifically allows for slavery in this case.
It specifically allows for slavery in this case.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 9:09 am to Bard
Probably because it is a far bigger pain in the arse to get all that organized then just letting them lay down all day.
Plus you get all kind of prisoners. Who you gonna send out? The worst? Great, send out rapists and killers into the community.
Okay, maybe not them, more minor offenses. So someone guilty of writing a bad check or stealing a loaf of bread should be picking cotton?
Just about anyone of us could be arrested for something you know. Seriously. Many people convict felonies listening to stuff they have downloaded. Yes those are felonies.
Plus you get all kind of prisoners. Who you gonna send out? The worst? Great, send out rapists and killers into the community.
Okay, maybe not them, more minor offenses. So someone guilty of writing a bad check or stealing a loaf of bread should be picking cotton?
Just about anyone of us could be arrested for something you know. Seriously. Many people convict felonies listening to stuff they have downloaded. Yes those are felonies.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 9:11 am to Cosmo
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I see prisoners picking up garbage all the time
In BR? I see people on the interstate sometimes on the weekends but those are people doing community service as part of their punishment for things like DUI, not inmates.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 9:44 am to Eurocat
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Okay, maybe not them, more minor offenses. So someone guilty of writing a bad check or stealing a loaf of bread should be picking cotton?
I know a guy that was sentenced to 2 years on a chain gang for cutting the heads off parking meters.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 9:53 am to Eurocat
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Probably because it is a far bigger pain in the arse to get all that organized then just letting them lay down all day.
So it's better to take the lazy route? How has that worked out for us thus far?
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Plus you get all kind of prisoners. Who you gonna send out? The worst? Great, send out rapists and killers into the community.
The don't get far when their shackled together.
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Okay, maybe not them, more minor offenses. So someone guilty of writing a bad check or stealing a loaf of bread should be picking cotton?
Picking cotton infers doing work for private businesses. In which example I've given did you accidentally or purposely misread into it that they should be used for anything other than public service?
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Many people convict felonies listening to stuff they have downloaded.
Are you saying "many" felons are in lockup solely for downloading things illegally?
bullshite. Post a credible link to back that statement up. FBI crime stats will do.
This also falls into the "play stupid games" rule. If someone commits a felony why should they get to do nothing all day and how does that help reduce recidivism?
Posted on 9/13/17 at 9:56 am to GoldenSombrero
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I know a guy that was sentenced to 2 years on a chain gang for cutting the heads off parking meters.
This falls under "play stupid games". I've got no problem with that sentence considering they will be replaced with tax dollars.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 9:56 am to Eurocat
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Okay, maybe not them, more minor offenses. So someone guilty of writing a bad check or stealing a loaf of bread should be picking cotton?
@ Eurocat not knowing how cotton is harvested in the 21 century
Posted on 9/13/17 at 9:56 am to Bard
If I were sitting in a jail cell I would be the first one to raise my hand for outdoor work.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 9:59 am to Erin Go Bragh
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If I were sitting in a jail cell I would be the first one to raise my hand for outdoor work.
A tired criminal is a more compliant criminal. ;)
Posted on 9/13/17 at 10:02 am to Bard
capitalism
Posted on 9/13/17 at 10:04 am to Bard
In Columbus, GA, they use inmates on the garbage trucks for the weekly trash pickup services. I always thought that was the norm, but everywhere else that I have lived they use corporate services such as WastePro.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 10:05 am to Bard
Arizona uses the shite out of their prisoners, almost to the point where it's a bit much.
They'll let trustees roam around elementary and high schools doing maintenance and whatnot.
They'll let trustees roam around elementary and high schools doing maintenance and whatnot.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 10:06 am to Eurocat
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Plus you get all kind of prisoners. Who you gonna send out? The worst? Great, send out rapists and killers into the community.
Why do you always go to 11 right from the jump?
Posted on 9/13/17 at 10:06 am to Bard
They have inmates picking up litter on I20 all the time here in South Carolina.
...and ya, if I was in prison I'd be the first to volunteer to get time outside in return for just picking up trash on the side of the road.
...and ya, if I was in prison I'd be the first to volunteer to get time outside in return for just picking up trash on the side of the road.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 10:07 am to CelticDog
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capitalism
How?
If work available is Demand and the prisoners are Supply and Price is free (because they shouldn't be paid since they are supposed to be paying off the debt to society they incurred when they committed their offense(s) ) then any tenet of Capitalism would prefer it until/unless the work being accomplished became substandard. Considering the work being performed is all unskilled, that's an incredibly low level to go below.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 10:07 am to Eurocat
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Okay, maybe not them, more minor offenses. So someone guilty of writing a bad check or stealing a loaf of bread should be picking cotton?
Depends. Can they drive a Combine?
Posted on 9/13/17 at 10:07 am to Bard
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What Stops the Use of Prisoners?
I guess the 8th amendment
This post was edited on 9/13/17 at 10:09 am
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