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re: Video of Trump's call to Gold Star Widow
Posted on 10/20/17 at 8:51 am to Statestreet
Posted on 10/20/17 at 8:51 am to Statestreet
This whole story is a disgrace.
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Posted on 10/20/17 at 8:51 am to ChineseBandit58
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Now that is a wrinkle on the situation I was unaware of - certainly that was a big mistake - wrong time - wrong place - wrong audience.
The family could have just as well denied the call if they didn't think it was the appropriate time to take it, just as General Kelly referenced in his pc.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 8:52 am to fillmoregandt
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The line itself is irrelevant. It's how the rep tried to contort it into something negative and callous
Posted on 10/20/17 at 8:54 am to Douboy
Who do we hate more - Wilson, Ana Navarro, or that mayor from San Juan?
Posted on 10/20/17 at 8:54 am to Statestreet
Given what Kelly said about what he was advised to tell the surviving spouse/parents, specifically that "they volunteered to do this job and they knew the stakes and what they were getting into", I think that the widow was obviously grieving and in a fragile state, following which that piece of human shite Wilson pounced and convinced her that Trump was at fault, thereby giving her a living breathing outlet on which to unleash her pain.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 8:54 am to Lg
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The family could have just as well denied the call if they didn't think it was the appropriate time to take it, just as General Kelly referenced in his pc.
True - but I never put the onus on the family of the deceased look at "big picture" details. They may not even be aware that they can 'refuse' the call.
It is up to the calling agent to find out about the circumstances of the call and make a judgement on whether this is a 'good time.'
Someone dropped the ball on this one.
This post was edited on 10/20/17 at 8:55 am
Posted on 10/20/17 at 8:57 am to fillmoregandt
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The line itself is irrelevant.
Trump made it relevant when he called her a liar when she claimed he said it.
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It's how the rep tried to contort it into something negative and callous
Sure, she shares some culpability. It really wasn't her place to publicly comment on the call. But I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility that she and the others in that car took the comment in a negative way. People misread people's words and tone all the time. Usually when that happens, the communicator of the message in question apologizes and clarifies their message. Trump didn't and that has fueled this as much as Wilson's comments have.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 9:01 am to ChineseBandit58
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It is up to the calling agent to find out about the circumstances of the call and make a judgement on whether this is a 'good time.'
I understand not putting the onus on the family, but how would the calling agent know if it isn't relayed by the family? Whoever took the call could have just as easily said, we are on the way to receive the body or funeral, whichever it was and now isn't a good time.
I don't see how this is the calling agents fault or the President's for that matter.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 9:02 am to Statestreet
This is a different call, this is with Sgt Alencar's widow, not Johnson's.
This post was edited on 10/20/17 at 9:03 am
Posted on 10/20/17 at 9:04 am to Lg
There was one person in that limo with the Johnson family who heard the President's words with hate in her heart.
This post was edited on 10/20/17 at 9:06 am
Posted on 10/20/17 at 9:05 am to The Spleen
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People misread people's words and tone all the time. Usually when that happens, the communicator of the message in question apologizes and clarifies their message
Someone like Rep wilson is so wrapped up in her anti trump bias that she was going to hear what she wanted to hear, regardless how Trump phrased it. So he should apologize for that?
Posted on 10/20/17 at 9:06 am to Statestreet
Good for CNN for posting that. Even better, good for the people to hear with those phone calls are like.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 9:08 am to Statestreet
She even said in the video he new what he was doing then Trump accidentally cut her off. This is a normal saying at military funerals and what guys say to families of their fallen friends. It is how we explain to them they are heroes doing what they wanted knowing the risks.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 9:08 am to Statestreet
What impressed me is President Trump listened to her not just going through the motions reading from a prepared script.
When she told him her son is a football player at Missouri who is on an academic scholarship he asked for more details about her son.
Then he invited her to the Oval Office if she's ever in Washington, DC. And he seemed very sincere about it.
Impressive.
When she told him her son is a football player at Missouri who is on an academic scholarship he asked for more details about her son.
Then he invited her to the Oval Office if she's ever in Washington, DC. And he seemed very sincere about it.
Impressive.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 9:09 am to TigerCruise
quote:Absolutely true. And do you think it was substantially different?
This is a different call, this is with Sgt Alencar's widow, not Johnson's.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 9:11 am to LSURussian
That's what a two way respectful conversation looks like.
A sad but needed short talk about how her husband was appreciated for his sacrifice.
People have the choice to be offended. Sometimes they look for reasons. We all have to remember that and try to step away from being aggrieved about every little thing.
A sad but needed short talk about how her husband was appreciated for his sacrifice.
People have the choice to be offended. Sometimes they look for reasons. We all have to remember that and try to step away from being aggrieved about every little thing.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 9:12 am to LSURussian
Yes very engaging, very sincere.
He loves America, and loves and appreciates the sacrifice our hero’s make.
The widow even mentioned that it’s what he wanted and what he loved doing.
ETA I know this isn’t the video the Congresswoman brought out.
He loves America, and loves and appreciates the sacrifice our hero’s make.
The widow even mentioned that it’s what he wanted and what he loved doing.
ETA I know this isn’t the video the Congresswoman brought out.
This post was edited on 10/20/17 at 9:19 am
Posted on 10/20/17 at 9:14 am to The Spleen
quote:Yes, he did and he also explained it was said as praise for soldier's bravery rather than making it out to be an insult as the idiot congresswoman did.
Kelly confirmed yesterday that Trump did say the line in question, so it's not just the Congresswoman.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 9:15 am to Statestreet
Rep Wilson's comment about General Kelly's comments tells you everything...
Paraphrasing:
'General Kelly is just doing his job....and keep it so he will say anything'
A complete lack of sympathy and trying to act like Kelly was just saying what Trump wanted him to say so he can keep his job. Nevermind the fact that Kelly himself knows exactly how it feels to be a Gold Star parent and receive that call. To Wilson he's just a raciss saying what Trump wants him to say.
Paraphrasing:
'General Kelly is just doing his job....and keep it so he will say anything'
A complete lack of sympathy and trying to act like Kelly was just saying what Trump wanted him to say so he can keep his job. Nevermind the fact that Kelly himself knows exactly how it feels to be a Gold Star parent and receive that call. To Wilson he's just a raciss saying what Trump wants him to say.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 9:17 am to LSURussian
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Yes, he did and he also explained it was said as praise for soldier's bravery
Absolutely, and that's something Trump could have done instead of his Tweet calling Wilson a liar. It would have quelled a lot of the furor over this.
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