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Trust in Government - Does it still exist? Is it important?
Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:33 am
Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:33 am
I'm sure Liberals will balk at the source (National Review) and the author (Victor David Hanson) of this editorial, but I believe this is a VERY important topic that doesn't get discussed enough.
This should be a key plank in the Republican platform.
Untruthful and Untrustworthy Government
This should be a key plank in the Republican platform.
Untruthful and Untrustworthy Government
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What distinguishes democracies from tinhorn dictatorships and totalitarian monstrosities are our permanent meritocratic government bureaus that remain nonpartisan and honestly report the truth.
The Benghazi, Associated Press, and National Security Agency scandals are scary, but not as disturbing as growing doubts about the honesty of permanent government itself.
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It was reported in November that the Census Bureau may have fabricated survey results during the 2012 presidential campaign, sending false data to the Labor Department that could have altered official employment statistics.
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Suddenly, a cost became proof of business output and thus was added into the business-investment contribution to GDP. That new accounting gimmick may have added hundreds of billions of dollars into the equation of figuring GDP growth last year alone. Not surprisingly, the government reported unexpectedly high 2.8 percent GDP growth after the changes.
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In recent times the government has not just counted the increase in the prices of goods, but also factored into its calculus theories about changing consumer-buying habits when prices increase. The changes have resulted in officially lowered inflation rates.
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The Obama administration claims near-record numbers of deportations. In fact, once again a government agency – in this case the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) — has mysteriously changed the way it compiles statistics. The ICE now counts as deportations those foreign nationals whom the Border Patrol immediately stops or turns away at the border. Such detentions were not previously counted as deportations.
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:39 am to Jimbeaux
1984 : Useless statistics, incorrect economic predictions, and slanted opinions polls are presented on the telescreen as "legitimate news", to give people the impression that "things are getting better", and that all people agree with the popular way of thinking.
Now : Useless statistics, incorrect economic predictions, and slanted opinions polls are presented on the Evening news as "legitimate news", to give people the impression that "things are getting better", and that all people agree with the popular way of thinking.
1984 vs now
Now : Useless statistics, incorrect economic predictions, and slanted opinions polls are presented on the Evening news as "legitimate news", to give people the impression that "things are getting better", and that all people agree with the popular way of thinking.
1984 vs now
Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:43 am to Jimbeaux
"Trust in Government" is extremely important. When exhibited by an individual, it is proof of ignorance, stupidity, gullibility or any combination of the three.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:57 am to Qwerty
I think you are oversimplifying the problem. Of course, it's always been an issue. The problem is the extent and the level of premeditated intent for political purposes.
To dismiss this issue as simply, "Meh, it's always been done, so what," is blindness or worse, partisanship.
There is a line of thinking that exists out there that goes something like this:
- We (political party A) are in power now, so we get to make the rules. Furthermore, we get to fabricate the facts in order to make the rules. When they (political party B) comes to power, they will do the same thing, so we better make as many systematic changes, in as many beureaucratic ways as possible, no matter the method, so that they will have difficulty undoing what we have done.
This way of thinking as grown to an unprecedented level, and it threatens the very fabric of our democracy.
To dismiss this issue as simply, "Meh, it's always been done, so what," is blindness or worse, partisanship.
There is a line of thinking that exists out there that goes something like this:
- We (political party A) are in power now, so we get to make the rules. Furthermore, we get to fabricate the facts in order to make the rules. When they (political party B) comes to power, they will do the same thing, so we better make as many systematic changes, in as many beureaucratic ways as possible, no matter the method, so that they will have difficulty undoing what we have done.
This way of thinking as grown to an unprecedented level, and it threatens the very fabric of our democracy.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:01 am to Jimbeaux
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I think you are oversimplifying the problem. Of course, it's always been an issue. The problem is the extent and the level of premeditated intent for political purposes. To dismiss this issue as simply, "Meh, it's always been done, so what," is blindness or worse, partisanship. There is a line of thinking that exists out there that goes something like this: - We (political party A) are in power now, so we get to make the rules. Furthermore, we get to fabricate the facts in order to make the rules. When they (political party B) comes to power, they will do the same thing, so we better make as many systematic changes, in as many beureaucratic ways as possible, no matter the method, so that they will have difficulty undoing what we have done. This way of thinking as grown to an unprecedented level, and it threatens the very fabric of our democracy.
I don't think you understand my point, at all. Hint: I wasn't talking about the year 1984 vs now.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:01 am to Jimbeaux
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:04 am to Jimbeaux
quote:No.
Trust in Government - Does it still exist? Is it important?
Yes.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:06 am to Jimbeaux
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I think you are oversimplifying the problem. Of course, it's always been an issue. The problem is the extent and the level of premeditated intent for political purposes.
Did you click his link? Was citing Orwell's 1984, in essence agreeing with you (I think?)
Of course trust in government matters. This is what I do find so troubling, however: it seems that when you ask someone why they voted for Obama, they bring up that they are disappointed, but they kinda knew this was going to be the result anyways but voted the way they did because Romney doesn't care about people and will only support other rich white dudes.
I didn't like either candidate, but if you knew one guy was not going to be able to accomplish what he promised to do, and you thought his character was suspect, why in the F vote for him again?
The problem goes far beyond the trust, it is that the people don't understand the candidate's voting, policy, and execution history. They only know if the candidate is for/against abortion and gay marriage, their political party, and their sex/race.
I would encourage everyone to understand who you are voting for and how their policies and ability to execute affects you. Otherwise democracy will only survive on a roll of the dice.....
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:11 am to Qwerty
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I don't think you understand my point, at all. Hint: I wasn't talking about the year 1984 vs now.
Sorry. No, I obviously did not click on your link.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:13 am to Jimbeaux
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Sorry. No, I obviously did not click on your link.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:18 am to Jimbeaux
Exist? For the most part no with those not intelligent enough to understand what it is supposed to be in fact. Does it matter? Unfortunately no because of that same crowd of people being in the majority in the last two elections. The only thing that they follow in goose steps is skin color or party affiliation. By choosing one or the other points it allows them to gather around the hogs slop trough and not make a decision on their own.
This post was edited on 3/27/14 at 10:58 am
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:24 am to Jimbeaux
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The Obama administration claims near-record numbers of deportations. In fact, once again a government agency – in this case the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) — has mysteriously changed the way it compiles statistics. The ICE now counts as deportations those foreign nationals whom the Border Patrol immediately stops or turns away at the border. Such detentions were not previously counted as deportations.
Classic case of the Liar In Chief changing the rules as he goes along. Pubs need to pound every lie early and often leading up to the mid-terms and the 2016 elections.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:36 am to Jimbeaux
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History is being rewritten, to conform with modern beliefs. The most obvious example of this - The removal of "racist", Violent, or Sexist material from popular cartoons. "Heckle & Jeckle" cartoons have been permanently shelved, since they are said to portray "negros". "Tom & Jerry" cartoons that contained the "mamma" character have also disappeared. You no longer see Daffy's head actually being blown off by Elmer. I recently saw an old superman cartoon in which the sexist line, "Isn't that too dangerous for a woman" (referring to Lois) was removed.
Not to mention the old WW2-era Warner Brothers cartoons that show the Japanese as google-eyed and bucktoothed. Another one is Speedy Gonzales. The PC police felt it was too offensive to Mexicans, but it's still a favorite cartoon...in Mexico!
This post was edited on 3/27/14 at 10:38 am
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