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Trump’s Pardon of Joe Arpaio Is an Impeachable Offense
Posted on 8/28/17 at 7:30 pm
Posted on 8/28/17 at 7:30 pm
The left trying to make the case that the Joe Apraio pardon is indeed an Impeachable Offense. I disagree but could it be seen as an abuse of power?
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During the 2016 campaign and in the first eight months of his presidency, Donald Trump has done many things that, once fully investigated, may prove to be impeachable offenses. We don’t yet know all the facts, so final judgment on most of Trump’s actions will have to wait.
However, by pardoning former Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio on Friday, Trump committed his first verifiable impeachable offense. To some readers, this may seem like frantic hyperbole. After all, Article II Section 2 of the Constitution gives a president effectively unlimited to power to pardon anyone (possibly even including himself) for any federal crime except impeachable offenses.
But professor Martin Redish argues in the New York Times that this particular pardon ought to be deemed constitutionally invalid. He contends that it offends the Due Process Clause because the only effective redress for those whose rights were violated by then–Sheriff Arpaio when he defied the court’s injunction is a contempt sanction, and voiding that sanction with a pardon both neuters the judicial power to enforce constitutional rights and deprives Arpaio’s victims of relief. Even professor Redish admits that this is a novel theory, and with respect, it simply won’t fly. Any time a president pardons someone for a criminal offense, he voids the considered judgment of some court and deprives the defendant’s victim of redress. The Constitution provides no carve-outs for cases where the underlying crime is a deprivation of civil liberties or a contemptuous defiance of a judicial order.
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But, to the founders, the main point of impeachment was that there must be a remedy when a president perverts the powers of his office, either for personal or political self-aggrandizement or, regardless of motive, when the president’s acts threaten the proper distribution of authority among the coordinate branches or otherwise offend either law or fundamental governing norms.
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The pardon of Arpaio plainly falls within this core conception of properly impeachable offenses.
It is an impeachable offense precisely because it involves the exercise of a constitutionally created presidential power.
The use of the pardon power in this case is a direct assault on core constitutional rights, statutory civil rights laws of the United States, and the authority of courts to enforce those laws.
It therefore threatens constitutional civil liberties generally, as well as the viability of congressionally authorized statutory law, and it is a direct attack on the constitutional powers of the judiciary as a coordinate branch of government.
Accordingly, this pardon threatens to undercut one of the indispensable, foundational norms of American constitutional order: the rule of law.
Posted on 8/28/17 at 7:31 pm to Rakim
Is there anything he does that isn't an impeachable offense?
Posted on 8/28/17 at 7:31 pm to Rakim
it's either legal for him to pardon him or not. if it's legal how can it be impeachable?
Posted on 8/28/17 at 7:32 pm to Rakim
He isn't getting impeached over this. If Flynn and his kids get pardoned, then sure.
Posted on 8/28/17 at 7:33 pm to Rakim
Trump took a dump this morning
IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE.
Trump is breathing
IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE.
IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE.
Trump is breathing
IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE.
Posted on 8/28/17 at 7:33 pm to Rakim
I admire your dedication at bringing news to this site
Posted on 8/28/17 at 7:34 pm to mmcgrath
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mmcgrath
Do you ever get tired of being the fool on this board
Posted on 8/28/17 at 7:34 pm to Rakim
I'm against the pardon, but its ridiculous especially given the people Bill Clinton pardoned. I'd argue those are worse than Arpaio.
Posted on 8/28/17 at 7:35 pm to mmcgrath
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He isn't getting impeached over this. If Flynn and his kids get pardoned, then sure.
I think it's ridiculous. The constitutional powers of the President are absolute on pardons and the SCOTUS has already ruled on those inherent powers of the President.
Posted on 8/28/17 at 7:35 pm to Rakim
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Trump’s Pardon of Joe Arpaio Is an Impeachable Offense
Posted on 8/28/17 at 7:35 pm to Rakim
That's the dumbest argument I've ever heard. Maybe if the pardon resulted in Arpiao continuing the unconstitutional stops but that is not what's happening here.
Posted on 8/28/17 at 7:35 pm to Rakim
I'd love to see the shite show that would be the Dems trying to impeach. Do they not realize who will replace Trump as president?
Posted on 8/28/17 at 7:35 pm to Rakim
Horsecrap. Obama and Clinton commuted the sentences of hardcore felons. Sheriff Joe's "offense" was a misdemeanor.
I would submit to everyone that Sen Chuck Schumer's advocacy of allowing illegals to vote is grounds for censure by and probably removal from the Senate. Directly calling for the Constitution to be ignored, and for Federal Election and Immigration laws to be broken.
He and indeed most of the Democrat Party should be brought up on treason charges. Chuck Schumer's loyalty is NOT to the United States of America. Few Democrats are loyal. Their allegiance is to the Party, pure and simple, and that above all else.
I would submit to everyone that Sen Chuck Schumer's advocacy of allowing illegals to vote is grounds for censure by and probably removal from the Senate. Directly calling for the Constitution to be ignored, and for Federal Election and Immigration laws to be broken.
He and indeed most of the Democrat Party should be brought up on treason charges. Chuck Schumer's loyalty is NOT to the United States of America. Few Democrats are loyal. Their allegiance is to the Party, pure and simple, and that above all else.
This post was edited on 8/28/17 at 7:37 pm
Posted on 8/28/17 at 7:35 pm to Rakim
In that case we need to arrest every living President since they can no longer be Impeached. I mean... Justice demands some sort of payment for their pardons as well, right?
This post was edited on 8/28/17 at 7:36 pm
Posted on 8/28/17 at 7:35 pm to Rakim
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Even professor Redish admits that this is a novel theory, and with respect, it simply won’t fly. Any time a president pardons someone for a criminal offense, he voids the considered judgment of some court and deprives the defendant’s victim of redress. The Constitution provides no carve-outs for cases where the underlying crime is a deprivation of civil liberties or a contemptuous defiance of a judicial order.
The remedy is a political one. His power to pardon is clear and resolute. The political remedy is impeachment, and its up to the proponents of impeachment to make their case. I disagree with the pardon because of the message it sends, but I would not support impeaching Trump over it.
Posted on 8/28/17 at 7:36 pm to Rakim
Past Presidents have pardoned, murderers, money launderers, spies, etc. Sheriff Joe committed a misdemeanor in the eyes of a liberal judge because he is upholding federal law.
Where was democratic outrage then? Where were calls for impeachment then? no where.. Establishment is in full attack mode, both Republicans and Democrats.. and it will not go well for either side..
Where was democratic outrage then? Where were calls for impeachment then? no where.. Establishment is in full attack mode, both Republicans and Democrats.. and it will not go well for either side..
Posted on 8/28/17 at 7:36 pm to Rakim
That's it!
He's done this time!
They got him!
He's done this time!
They got him!
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