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Trump needs to declare total all out war on Ryan.
Posted on 4/23/17 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 4/23/17 at 2:56 pm
Take him out. Ryan is such a damn disgrace. Frick you Yankees from Wisconsin for sending us that Cuck. Ryan is insuring that the GOP is going to take an arse kicking in 2018. Frick the GOPe.
Melt.
Melt.
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Posted on 4/23/17 at 2:57 pm to AU86
yeah, best thing to do when you have a majority control of the government is to fracture it 
Posted on 4/23/17 at 2:59 pm to efrad
Shut up you libtard. That majority is working against the Trump agenda so it is already fractured.
Posted on 4/23/17 at 3:06 pm to AU86
Be a smart move, that's what Carter did during his term and that worked out so well for him.
Posted on 4/23/17 at 3:11 pm to AU86
Agreed ... Ryan, Graham, McCain - they all need to go.
Unfortunately, that's not how it works.
What Trump really needs to do is take a page out of Reagan's playbook. Reagan with Tip O'Neal. Dealing with Ryan should be a piece of cake - for obvious reasons.
Unfortunately, that's not how it works.
What Trump really needs to do is take a page out of Reagan's playbook. Reagan with Tip O'Neal. Dealing with Ryan should be a piece of cake - for obvious reasons.
Posted on 4/23/17 at 3:24 pm to scrooster
You ever notice that the only ones that come on here to defend Ryan are liberals and "moderate" republicans.
Posted on 4/23/17 at 3:35 pm to AU86
No, no he doesn't. I don't like Ryan either, but if the Republican Party continues fracturing then the majority control we have is done. If Trump wastes time by putting fighting with other Republicans at the top of his agenda, then this Presidency will go to waste, and he will not be reelected.
I'd love for much of the Establishment to go like you would, but we also have to be realistic and recognize that we have a limited window that we can get stuff done in. We can't bank on having this level of control for many years, or being able to get it back again.
I'd love for much of the Establishment to go like you would, but we also have to be realistic and recognize that we have a limited window that we can get stuff done in. We can't bank on having this level of control for many years, or being able to get it back again.
This post was edited on 4/23/17 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 4/23/17 at 3:36 pm to AU86
quote:
Shut up you libtard.
Do you just automatically assume anyone who doesn't agree with you is a leftist?
Posted on 4/23/17 at 3:37 pm to AU86
quote:
That majority is working against the Trump agenda so it is already fractured.
Yeah, when a majority of people are working against you the best way to get them to come to your point of view is to DECLARE TOTAL WAR on them.
Posted on 4/23/17 at 3:39 pm to AU86
quote:
That majority is working against the Trump agenda so it is already fractured.
Maybe Trump has really shitty, ill-conceived policy plans
Posted on 4/23/17 at 4:06 pm to AU86
I'm not the Ryan fan I once was
But seeing how you nutjobs are driven to near aneurysm because the shitty blogs you get your information from put out new talking points (when Ryan, in actuality, hasn't done anything) is amazing.
But seeing how you nutjobs are driven to near aneurysm because the shitty blogs you get your information from put out new talking points (when Ryan, in actuality, hasn't done anything) is amazing.
Posted on 4/23/17 at 4:07 pm to AU86
quote:
You ever notice that the only ones that come on here to defend Ryan are liberals and "moderate" republicans.
...and people who aren't fricking lunatics
Posted on 4/23/17 at 4:11 pm to AU86
We have the best Ryan melts don't we folks?
Posted on 4/23/17 at 4:11 pm to Pettifogger
quote:Ryan's a weak Speaker. Maybe weaker than Boehner. That surprised me. But he practically had an undoable job shoved upon him when no one else wanted it. Surprise electoral successes in November masked the fact that the House caucus remains incredibly fractured (well they did until the Healthcare debacle).
I'm not the Ryan fan I once was
But seeing how you nutjobs are driven to near aneurysm because the shitty blogs you get your information from put out new talking points (when Ryan, in actuality, hasn't done anything) is amazing.
Posted on 4/23/17 at 4:14 pm to AU86
Speak real to me because I am very tired of all this behavior putting on the same old political hypocritical TV Show. When the entire world knows that the Deep State doesn't give a damn about humanity's morality at all.
Wealth and Power are what drives the Washington DC establishment that the American Deep State has bought and paid for, and even become more powerful than the President.
So why does Mike Pence keep talking like that?
I'm tired of the Mike Pence way of talking to us. Like he is a Snow White pure blue conservative who is above reproach and has become very repetitive and boring way of talking to me. He never talks like a normal guy to us. Can he speak normally?
Or is he always putting on this Show White show? Like he is always guarding again being held accountable for not doing what is good for the American people because of his pure political ideals. I like men who are working hard to win for his team and not worrying about speaking like he is pure of heart that the American Deep State doesn't give a damn about.
You know what mean?
Wealth and Power are what drives the Washington DC establishment that the American Deep State has bought and paid for, and even become more powerful than the President.
So why does Mike Pence keep talking like that?
I'm tired of the Mike Pence way of talking to us. Like he is a Snow White pure blue conservative who is above reproach and has become very repetitive and boring way of talking to me. He never talks like a normal guy to us. Can he speak normally?
Or is he always putting on this Show White show? Like he is always guarding again being held accountable for not doing what is good for the American people because of his pure political ideals. I like men who are working hard to win for his team and not worrying about speaking like he is pure of heart that the American Deep State doesn't give a damn about.
You know what mean?
Posted on 4/23/17 at 4:16 pm to Navytiger74
I don't think Ryan is much of a leader. He can be a thought/ideology leader, but not a true congressional leader in a formal sense.
I had hopes that his brand of selling conservatism to the public would unite the caucus enough to get to a better place, at which point someone less wonky and with more leadership ability could step forward. But still too fractured for now.
It doesn't help him that he can't really pinpoint where an ideological faction is going to be on a given issue or at a given time. McCain is pro Trump on Syria, the Freedom Caucus is anti-Trump on healthcare and in lip service on spending but largely pro-Trump in political rhetoric.
Regardless, Ryan has an impossible job right now of trying to appease a faction who likes how Trump talks but fundamentally disagrees with Trump's ideology, while Ryan likely believes it's also his responsibility to avoid a bloodbath in the midterms because of shutdowns or other debacles.
I had hopes that his brand of selling conservatism to the public would unite the caucus enough to get to a better place, at which point someone less wonky and with more leadership ability could step forward. But still too fractured for now.
It doesn't help him that he can't really pinpoint where an ideological faction is going to be on a given issue or at a given time. McCain is pro Trump on Syria, the Freedom Caucus is anti-Trump on healthcare and in lip service on spending but largely pro-Trump in political rhetoric.
Regardless, Ryan has an impossible job right now of trying to appease a faction who likes how Trump talks but fundamentally disagrees with Trump's ideology, while Ryan likely believes it's also his responsibility to avoid a bloodbath in the midterms because of shutdowns or other debacles.
This post was edited on 4/23/17 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 4/23/17 at 4:19 pm to Pettifogger
quote:You figure that shite out and I'll try to gather some other bored outgoing staff officers and lead a coup to put you in power.
Ryan has an impossible job right now of trying to appease a faction who likes how Trump talks but fundamentally disagrees with Trump's ideology
Posted on 4/23/17 at 4:22 pm to Pettifogger
quote:
He can be a thought/ideology leader, but not a true congressional leader in a formal sense.
Well said, although he was overrated in his ideological leadership. He was pretty much the only promising game in town anywhere near the mainstream though
Posted on 4/23/17 at 4:27 pm to 90proofprofessional
I agree. I'm increasingly convinced Ryan is correct about a lot of policy positions and knows, in an ethereal sense how they should be pursued, but that he lacks the ability to lead a broken party in either regard.
I do think Ryan could ultimately be a tenured, steady hand figure on both fronts, but the task is too much for him to be tip of the spear.
I do think Ryan could ultimately be a tenured, steady hand figure on both fronts, but the task is too much for him to be tip of the spear.
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