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Trump is a war hawk...
Posted on 8/21/17 at 9:43 pm
Posted on 8/21/17 at 9:43 pm
Trump has now expanded US military presence and/or airstrikes in I believe every combat theater he inherited from Obama. Many pundits still can't recognize this. They adopted a mental model of Trump as non-interventionist and for some reason can't get this out their heads.
The populist and isolationist Trump ran into the reality of the military war complex in his first 6 months in office.
The populist and isolationist Trump ran into the reality of the military war complex in his first 6 months in office.
This post was edited on 8/21/17 at 9:47 pm
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Posted on 8/21/17 at 9:45 pm to Rakim
You have officially jumped the shark. Too bad that The Fonz is taken as a username here already.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 9:45 pm to Rakim
If I were a Trump fan this is a pretty egregious slap in the face.
Honestly Id probably feel like a Russian hooker.
Honestly Id probably feel like a Russian hooker.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 9:45 pm to Rakim
When you surround yourself with generals, it is easy to see why you would go down the hawk path.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 9:46 pm to roadGator
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You have officially jumped the shark. Too bad that The Fonz is taken as a username here already.
Sorry for bringing logic to the discussion
Posted on 8/21/17 at 9:47 pm to Rakim
The war was there already. The general officers are providing the advice on how to wage this war.
There's no easy answer here, that's for sure.
There's no easy answer here, that's for sure.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 9:48 pm to GetCocky11
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When you surround yourself with generals, it is easy to see why you would go down the hawk path.
Trump has no body but himself vs the generals. There is no Bobby Kennedy there in the War Room.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 9:49 pm to AUbused
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I were a Trump fan thi
But you're not, Blanche
Posted on 8/21/17 at 9:59 pm to Rakim
I read this same notion in an article in Foreign Policy several weeks back and it's as unconvincing now as it was then.
Trump increased bombing against ISIS and Afghanistan, two existing war theaters in which we are combating radical Islamists of a similar stripe. So intensifying air campaigns in existing war theaters makes Trump a war hawk? Or an interventionist? That's asinine logic.
Military intervention in foreign affairs like toppling regimes and installing favored regimes is what makes one an interventionist. Trump didn't start the U.S. engagements in either Syria or Afghanistan. He also kept his word in remaining OUT of getting us in the business of overthrowing Assad. Intensifying bombing campaigns in already existing combat zones ins't "interventionist" nor does it make Trump a war hawk.
When things are viewed through the prism of "interventionism" or "isolationism" you are eliminating your critical thinking skills and dumbing down the analysis.
I'm in favor of getting out of Afghanistan, but coming into office and ratcheting up bombing of the enemy while our forces are in country and fighting an ongoing war is what any responsible Commander in Chief should do if he believes it prudent.
Trump increased bombing against ISIS and Afghanistan, two existing war theaters in which we are combating radical Islamists of a similar stripe. So intensifying air campaigns in existing war theaters makes Trump a war hawk? Or an interventionist? That's asinine logic.
Military intervention in foreign affairs like toppling regimes and installing favored regimes is what makes one an interventionist. Trump didn't start the U.S. engagements in either Syria or Afghanistan. He also kept his word in remaining OUT of getting us in the business of overthrowing Assad. Intensifying bombing campaigns in already existing combat zones ins't "interventionist" nor does it make Trump a war hawk.
When things are viewed through the prism of "interventionism" or "isolationism" you are eliminating your critical thinking skills and dumbing down the analysis.
I'm in favor of getting out of Afghanistan, but coming into office and ratcheting up bombing of the enemy while our forces are in country and fighting an ongoing war is what any responsible Commander in Chief should do if he believes it prudent.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 10:01 pm to Rakim
Reality is a whole lot different sitting in the big chair.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 10:03 pm to Rakim
quote:You didn't exactly have to be some eldritch soothsayer to see this coming
Trump has now expanded US military presence and/or airstrikes in I believe every combat theater he inherited from Obama.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 10:05 pm to Rakim
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Trump has no body but himself vs the generals. There is no Bobby Kennedy there in the War Room.
There is Mattis however.
Despite his previous experience as one of the greatest general officers the Marine Corps has ever known, he is far more educated than you, myself, or anyone else in Washington. I trust Secretary Mattis and his influence when it comes to defense and foreign policy.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 10:26 pm to Rakim
you are a shite hawk lahey
Posted on 8/21/17 at 10:26 pm to Rakim
Trump never ran on an isolationist platform
Posted on 8/21/17 at 10:34 pm to Rakim
Well, we've been in Afghanistan for 16 fricking years. Whatever strategy we've been using apparently isnt finishing the job. So do you pull out completely and leave a power vacuum or commit to finishing off the enemy with the hope that the locals will be able to keep law and order when we leave? There's no easy decision to be made in Afghanistan
Posted on 8/21/17 at 10:36 pm to Rakim
What's your angle Rakim? To "bring logic" means you detest being a war hawk.. so unless you associate yourself as a hypocrite you must have been campaigning for Ron or Rand Paul. If not then you are a clown and if you can read there is no rebuttal because you are smart enough to know why
Posted on 8/21/17 at 11:21 pm to Jjdoc
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Trump never ran on an isolationist platform
Omg
You are insane or just a liar. That's like saying Trump never said "Mexico would pay for the Wall" type of delusional statement.
This post was edited on 8/21/17 at 11:22 pm
Posted on 8/21/17 at 11:22 pm to Rakim
Rakim pulling his liberal switcharoo
Posted on 8/21/17 at 11:23 pm to Jjdoc
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Trump never ran on an isolationist platform
someone was sleeping during 2016 wasn't he.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 11:27 pm to gobuxgo5
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What's your angle Rakim? To "bring logic" means you detest being a war hawk.. so unless you associate yourself as a hypocrite you must have been campaigning for Ron or Rand Paul. If not then you are a clown and if you can read there is no rebuttal because you are smart enough to know why
"My angle" is to not let politicians get away with lies even if I support them politically. Yours is one of "no principle" and allowing Trump to sell out his base. I know your M.O., you're the us vs them win no matter what but in reality you are the clown, the puppet, the one who can't critically think or move away from the group think
Oh and by the way, I voted for Rand Paul so there is your rebuttal
This post was edited on 8/21/17 at 11:30 pm
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