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This may be close minded of me, but I fundamentally do not understand how.....

Posted on 2/9/17 at 12:36 am
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
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Posted on 2/9/17 at 12:36 am
someone born in America or Europe cannot say unhesitatingly that western culture, both in practice and in theory, is superior to other cultures on earth.

Note, this is not at all a statement about PEOPLE. Someone can equally adore culture and immigration from other cultures who CHOOSE to join such culture.

But almost every single thing in my life that I value dearly, such as the rule of law, free enterprise, individualism, charity, scientific advancement, tolerance, etc either originated in or flourished most persistently in the area of the world that is considered the west.

It becomes even more frustrating to me when these same people who refuse to say they favor western culture over all others will not waste a second criticizing subgroups within western culture who they feel have inferior cultural ideas. They consider the jones family next door to be barbaric and regressive for opposing gay marriage or abortion because implicitly they know that opposition to these two things is somewhat antithetical to western ideals, yet they won't just come out and say they value the west over other terrestrial ways of being human.

They should process this quote by a famous warrior of western culture:

Posted by Lee to Toliver
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Posted on 2/9/17 at 12:37 am to
Posted by KaiserSoze99
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Posted on 2/9/17 at 12:41 am to
Because frick Commies.


Posted by Big12fan
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Posted on 2/9/17 at 12:51 am to
Apparently your superior culture has yet to teach you to let go of the things you can't control, like opinions of others.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
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Posted on 2/9/17 at 12:59 am to
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Apparently your superior culture has yet to teach you to let go of the things you can't control, like opinions of others.
I don't mind you having the opinion, and I sure as hell don't mind critiquing it.
Posted by HempHead
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Posted on 2/9/17 at 1:00 am to
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Apparently your superior culture has yet to teach you to let go of the things you can't control, like opinions of others.



Yeah but they don't teach Marcus Aurelius in school.
Posted by Iosh
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Posted on 2/9/17 at 1:01 am to
"Western culture" is a meaninglessly elastic term, HTH
Posted by Tiguar
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Posted on 2/9/17 at 1:04 am to
yet everyone knows what you mean when you say it
Posted by HempHead
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Posted on 2/9/17 at 1:04 am to
It's elastic but I don't think it's without meaning.
Posted by joshnorris14
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Posted on 2/9/17 at 1:05 am to
You need an addendum thanking me for dragging you away from those beliefs you now deride
Posted by stuntman
Florida
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Posted on 2/9/17 at 1:06 am to
Our "education" system was built on the Prussian model, which was created to churn out unthinking, obedient drones for the state.

The roots of Western Civilization, the supremacy of the individual, runs counter to the growth and power of government. So, of course, most of our schools will "teach" kids what to think, not how to think.

Posted by Iosh
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Posted on 2/9/17 at 1:08 am to
go on
Posted by HempHead
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Posted on 2/9/17 at 1:08 am to
It's a convenient way of grouping in the accomplishments of Europeans west of the Hajnal line.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
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Posted on 2/9/17 at 1:09 am to
Iosh, speaking of western culture, what is your opinion of value added taxation?
Posted by Iosh
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Posted on 2/9/17 at 1:10 am to
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It's a convenient way of grouping in the accomplishments of Europeans west of the Hajnal line.
Excluding Greece from your demarcation? That's a bold move there Cotton.
Posted by HempHead
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Posted on 2/9/17 at 1:11 am to
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Excluding Greece from your demarcation? That's a bold move there Cotton.



shite. You're right. But it's meaningless, in any case.
Posted by Iosh
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Posted on 2/9/17 at 1:14 am to
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Iosh, speaking of western culture, what is your opinion of value added taxation?
A VAT would be better instead of the income or payroll tax (not in addition to)
Posted by Iosh
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Posted on 2/9/17 at 1:20 am to
I mean honestly you can argue anything from straight Nordicism to a linguistic definition stretching all the way out to the Ganges. Just about all it's guaranteed to mean is "not China, Japan, or sub-Saharan Africa"
This post was edited on 2/9/17 at 1:21 am
Posted by HempHead
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Posted on 2/9/17 at 1:24 am to
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to a linguistic definition stretching all the way out to the Ganges.


I don't think anyone but the craziest stormbro are claiming the Vedas as Western, but then again, I wouldn't doubt it.

For the most part, though, folks' (or maybe just my understanding) of what constitutes Western is basically Anglo-Saxon, Germanic, French, Iberian, Scandinavian and Classical Greek and Roman contributions.
Posted by Iosh
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Posted on 2/9/17 at 1:48 am to
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For the most part, though, folks' (or maybe just my understanding) of what constitutes Western is basically Anglo-Saxon, Germanic, French, Iberian, Scandinavian and Classical Greek and Roman contributions.
There are two big problems with this kind of laundry-listing. Firstly you'll inevitably leave out groups at the margins. It seems absurd, after all, that the West wouldn't get credit for Stonehenge (Celtic) Tesla's AC (Serbian) or Bela IV of Hungary cockblocking the Mongols.

Plus the West has been shot through with Christianity for the last two thousand years, and Christianity is ultimately a Semitic religion, is it not?
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