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This may be close minded of me, but I fundamentally do not understand how.....
Posted on 2/9/17 at 12:36 am
Posted on 2/9/17 at 12:36 am
someone born in America or Europe cannot say unhesitatingly that western culture, both in practice and in theory, is superior to other cultures on earth.
Note, this is not at all a statement about PEOPLE. Someone can equally adore culture and immigration from other cultures who CHOOSE to join such culture.
But almost every single thing in my life that I value dearly, such as the rule of law, free enterprise, individualism, charity, scientific advancement, tolerance, etc either originated in or flourished most persistently in the area of the world that is considered the west.
It becomes even more frustrating to me when these same people who refuse to say they favor western culture over all others will not waste a second criticizing subgroups within western culture who they feel have inferior cultural ideas. They consider the jones family next door to be barbaric and regressive for opposing gay marriage or abortion because implicitly they know that opposition to these two things is somewhat antithetical to western ideals, yet they won't just come out and say they value the west over other terrestrial ways of being human.
They should process this quote by a famous warrior of western culture:
Note, this is not at all a statement about PEOPLE. Someone can equally adore culture and immigration from other cultures who CHOOSE to join such culture.
But almost every single thing in my life that I value dearly, such as the rule of law, free enterprise, individualism, charity, scientific advancement, tolerance, etc either originated in or flourished most persistently in the area of the world that is considered the west.
It becomes even more frustrating to me when these same people who refuse to say they favor western culture over all others will not waste a second criticizing subgroups within western culture who they feel have inferior cultural ideas. They consider the jones family next door to be barbaric and regressive for opposing gay marriage or abortion because implicitly they know that opposition to these two things is somewhat antithetical to western ideals, yet they won't just come out and say they value the west over other terrestrial ways of being human.
They should process this quote by a famous warrior of western culture:
Posted on 2/9/17 at 12:41 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Because frick Commies.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 12:51 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Apparently your superior culture has yet to teach you to let go of the things you can't control, like opinions of others.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 12:59 am to Big12fan
quote:I don't mind you having the opinion, and I sure as hell don't mind critiquing it.
Apparently your superior culture has yet to teach you to let go of the things you can't control, like opinions of others.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 1:00 am to Big12fan
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Apparently your superior culture has yet to teach you to let go of the things you can't control, like opinions of others.
Yeah but they don't teach Marcus Aurelius in school.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 1:01 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
"Western culture" is a meaninglessly elastic term, HTH
Posted on 2/9/17 at 1:04 am to Iosh
yet everyone knows what you mean when you say it
Posted on 2/9/17 at 1:04 am to Iosh
It's elastic but I don't think it's without meaning.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 1:05 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
You need an addendum thanking me for dragging you away from those beliefs you now deride
Posted on 2/9/17 at 1:06 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Our "education" system was built on the Prussian model, which was created to churn out unthinking, obedient drones for the state.
The roots of Western Civilization, the supremacy of the individual, runs counter to the growth and power of government. So, of course, most of our schools will "teach" kids what to think, not how to think.
The roots of Western Civilization, the supremacy of the individual, runs counter to the growth and power of government. So, of course, most of our schools will "teach" kids what to think, not how to think.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 1:08 am to Iosh
It's a convenient way of grouping in the accomplishments of Europeans west of the Hajnal line.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 1:09 am to Iosh
Iosh, speaking of western culture, what is your opinion of value added taxation?
Posted on 2/9/17 at 1:10 am to HempHead
quote:Excluding Greece from your demarcation? That's a bold move there Cotton.
It's a convenient way of grouping in the accomplishments of Europeans west of the Hajnal line.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 1:11 am to Iosh
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Excluding Greece from your demarcation? That's a bold move there Cotton.
shite. You're right. But it's meaningless, in any case.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 1:14 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:A VAT would be better instead of the income or payroll tax (not in addition to)
Iosh, speaking of western culture, what is your opinion of value added taxation?
Posted on 2/9/17 at 1:20 am to HempHead
I mean honestly you can argue anything from straight Nordicism to a linguistic definition stretching all the way out to the Ganges. Just about all it's guaranteed to mean is "not China, Japan, or sub-Saharan Africa"
This post was edited on 2/9/17 at 1:21 am
Posted on 2/9/17 at 1:24 am to Iosh
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to a linguistic definition stretching all the way out to the Ganges.
I don't think anyone but the craziest stormbro are claiming the Vedas as Western, but then again, I wouldn't doubt it.
For the most part, though, folks' (or maybe just my understanding) of what constitutes Western is basically Anglo-Saxon, Germanic, French, Iberian, Scandinavian and Classical Greek and Roman contributions.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 1:48 am to HempHead
quote:There are two big problems with this kind of laundry-listing. Firstly you'll inevitably leave out groups at the margins. It seems absurd, after all, that the West wouldn't get credit for Stonehenge (Celtic) Tesla's AC (Serbian) or Bela IV of Hungary cockblocking the Mongols.
For the most part, though, folks' (or maybe just my understanding) of what constitutes Western is basically Anglo-Saxon, Germanic, French, Iberian, Scandinavian and Classical Greek and Roman contributions.
Plus the West has been shot through with Christianity for the last two thousand years, and Christianity is ultimately a Semitic religion, is it not?
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