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Rocket
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think inequality is great, the best should get more


MItt ROmney thought so too and he's now pumping gas in Lajolla


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Conservatives don't have a problem with "all of" the legislation. Things like the Educational Television Facilities Act or the Health Professions Educational Assistance Act were fine

And everything but the Civil Rights Act, VOting Rights Act and Fair Housing ACt


You missed the part where I said "things like". Stop being a slacker.

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No, you just want to kick people off welfare because you're mad about integration


I grew up in integration and have never known anything except it. How can I be mad about it?

Why I want to kick people off welfare is because there's so much gaming of the system going on. My mother worked for Family Services for 30 years and spent many of those years doing Welfare. The ability to game the system is as simple as it is rampant and there's little political will to hinder it. It has created an entitlement society that understands little more than "why should I work when the government already gives me money to not work".

As an example of our shitty system: A friend's husband died, leaving her to raise their two kids alone while she works full-time (she has a Masters in Elem Ed and teaches for a living). The social aid worker told her that she could quit her job and get the exact same amount of money in the form of Social Security benefits for her kid as she was making from her f/t job.

That's paying someone to not work and it's just one of the millions of examples out there that is crushing our economy and society.


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MItt ROmney thought so too and he's now pumping gas in Lajolla


Hahahaha oh my you truly are the King of the idiot class.


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IceTiger
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So to the American public, the majority believe that equality is more important than freedom from an oppressive government...

Communism...check


deltaland
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2. The GOP economic policy is shite and it's call for inequality is not good for any society.


Really? So let's review the GOP presidents and the economy during their tenure. Especially in the years you keep bringing up such as the 50s.

1950s under Eisenhower (republican) were very prosperous years for America.

70s under Dem. Carter was the worst recession since the Great Depression.

80's under Reagan were good economically. See a pattern here? The GOP is known for fiscal responsibility.

The Dems did a good thing with the Civil Rights Act...giving equal rights to all people is a good thing. But don't confuse that with the Conservative's hate for Social Welfare. The 2 are not related. Dems spin it that way because it allows them to pull the race card to gain votes.

Republicans believe that every person of every race has the right to pursue their dreams and work of choice in an equal work environment. We do not believe it is right to take away from the working American, and give to those who refuse to work and that includes those of all races who do it. GOP is trying to get America to stop sucking the Governments tit, while Dems are trying to put more people on it. It is not a race issue, rather it is a fight for fiscal responsibility and changing the work ethic of America. The Dems are the ones who make it a race issue.


Rocket
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You missed the part where I said "things like". Stop being a slacker.


I read. There was so much bull shite in your post that I decided to leave some comments alone

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As an example of our shitty system: A friend's husband died, leaving her to raise their two kids alone while she works full-time (she has a Masters in Elem Ed and teaches for a living). The social aid worker told her that she could quit her job and get the exact same amount of money in the form of Social Security benefits for her kid as she was making from her f/t job.


That example may be true but that's not what's crushing our enomomy. It's not what is sending jobs overseas and it didn't cause the recession. It has nothing to do with wall street bankers and their lust for deregulation



deltaland
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social assistance platform of the Democrats was cool with white southern voters


The social assistance platform of welfare checks, food stamps, etc. did not come about until after the Civil Rights Act. Welfare was greatly amped up by Carter. That and the resulting recession is what drove many voters to GOP and led to Reagans election.


Rocket
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80's under Reagan were good economically. See a pattern here? The GOP is known for fiscal responsibility.


Reagan/Bush economic policy was not fiscal responsibility since the debt tripled by the time Clinton took office.

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don't confuse that with the Conservative's hate for Social Welfare.


I think there are conservatives who hate it because they have misconceptions about it

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We do not believe it is right to take away from the working American, and give to those who refuse to work and that includes those of all races who do it. GOP is trying to get America to stop sucking the Governments tit, while Dems are trying to put more people on it. It is not a race issue, rather it is a fight for fiscal responsibility and changing the work ethic of America. The Dems are the ones who make it a race issue.


You think the GOP is really concerned about those who are disadvantaged? You gotta be kidding me


Rocket
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That and the resulting recession is what drove many voters to GOP and led to Reagans election.


I know the economy was a factor but so was busing and affirmative and the resentment people had over it


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Rocket
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So to the American public, the majority believe that equality is more important than freedom from an oppressive government...


There's nothing oppressive about our government.

Saying you can't discriminate without being taken to court is not oppression.

Slavery was oppression. Not being allowed to discriminate without being fined? Not oppression.


Bard
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I read. There was so much bull shite in your post that I decided to leave some comments alone


You mean like my deficit/spending numbers that you still have yet to address?

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That example may be true but that's not what's crushing our enomomy.


It's what is causing it now. We currently have more people on some form of public assistance than at any other time in our country's history and one of the things the Dems want to get out of the current negotiations is an extension of unemployment benefits (yes, beyond the current 99 weeks). That anyone could even think of asking for that kind of thing while we are in such an economic crisis is the same thing that brought Greece to its knees.

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It's not what is sending jobs overseas


No, Congress trying to raise taxes on businesses is what's sending jobs overseas. Why pay higher payroll taxes to higher Americans when you don't have to pay them at all if you hire overseas workers?

Instead of fixing the tax code, Congress is basically debating how much more they are going to frick over the economy.

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and it didn't cause the recession.


The recession was caused by the Housing bubble and the easy credit that came from it. Bush and members of his administration went before Congress over a dozen times trying to fix this. Here's the response from the Democrats at that time: LINK while far too many in the GOP in Congress sat on their hands (they paid the price for that and their spending in the 2006 elections).

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It has nothing to do with wall street bankers and their lust for deregulation


Which the current President has addressed... how? Wanting to (effectively) eliminate the debt ceiling?
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IceTiger
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I'm talking about taking what is mine, paying yourself with it, so you can come up with more redundant broken programs,

Like the veterans jobs bill (if passed it would be the 6th veterans jobs programs)


Rocket
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It's what is causing it now


No it's not

Government assistance didn't cause the recession.

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No, Congress trying to raise taxes on businesses is what's sending jobs overseas.


Businesses have been sending jobs over seas for 30 years. Taxes aren't what is sending jobs overseas

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Instead of fixing the tax code, Congress is basically debating how much more they are going to frick over the economy.


The GOP has had a ton of power over the past 30 years, they could have fixed it

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The recession was caused by the Housing bubble and the easy credit that came from it


The recession was caused by alot of things, including credit default swaps, but not traditional government assistance




Rocket
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I'm talking about taking what is mine


People are taking your's to pay for this insanely expensive military we have too not just social programs.


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OTOH, capitalism punishes those without talent and without a propensity to work hard. You could call them 'Lazy and/or Stupid.' We now have reached a point where they are the majority. And it is perfectly logical for them to vote in their best interests. Which is socialism. You can call them leeches. But the leech survives because it cannot kill it's own prey. And, since the latter group is producing offspring at a higher rate than the former, America will become a true socialist state. And nothing can be done to stop it.


A dictator could stop it and is exactly what we need right now!


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Bard
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re: This is why capitalism is unappealing to the majority
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Government assistance didn't cause the recession.


It did and is. The government's backing of FM/FM and pushing of sub-prime mortgages is what got us into the Recession initially. I know, I know... "mortgage backed securities", etc. but that would never have been an issue if the federal government hadn't gotten a hard-on about creating more sub-prime loans.

Doing asinine things like extending unemployment benefits to 99 weeks as well as failing to pass a long-term tax package (much less a budget) is what has exacerbated things.

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Businesses have been sending jobs over seas for 30 years. Taxes aren't what is sending jobs overseas


Businesses send jobs overseas because it's cheaper. One of the biggest costs is taxes (payroll, social security, etc). If Congress were to pass a bill that would cut payroll and corporate taxes by 50% for any business with over 100 employees (including contract labor) that have at least 90% of their workers in the US, jobs would come back.

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The GOP has had a ton of power over the past 30 years, they could have fixed it


Since 2000, which party has presided (ie: had at 2/3 of the House/Senate/Presidency) over the largest amount of deficit spending?

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The recession was caused by alot of things, including credit default swaps, but not traditional government assistance


Caused by traditional assistance? No. Exacerbated by it now? Yes.
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VerlanderBEAST
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re: This is why capitalism is unappealing to the majority
When it comes to capitalism:

who you know>>>>>>who you are>>>>>>what you do


IceTiger
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re: This is why capitalism is unappealing to the majority
I don't disagree, take that up with the POTUS, he's spending a truckton


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Bard
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People are taking your's to pay for this insanely expensive military we have too not just social programs.


Defense, SS & Medicare/caid are each about 20% of the budget (with Defense being the least of the three when you look at the hard numbers). While Defense does need some serious cuts, it's only 1/3 of the Big 3 that needs to be cut and is the least among them.


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IceTiger
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re: This is why capitalism is unappealing to the majority
In socialism,

The system>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the person


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