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Posted on 2/18/17 at 5:10 pm to 5thTiger
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Take something simple like food, particularly fruits & vegetables since that is one of the most positively impacted areas from immigrants
Take something simple...like a wall. A tall and well patrolled wall. This will have the most positive impact on keeping criminal aliens from utilizing the other side of said wall.
The truth is that most of your post is made up of bullshite and non sequiturs.
The increase in demand for the wall will be the best way to curb slimy criminals and terrorists from accessing our country.
Posted on 2/18/17 at 5:11 pm to Scoop
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Is it your stance that it is to the over all advantage of the United States as a whole to incorporate millions upon millions of low skilled, poorly educated and non-English speaking peoples into our country?
I mean, I'd rather the low skill, poorly educated, English speaking Americans do these jobs at the same pay rates, but that isn't happening.
I'd prefer we massively update our immigration system with the methods that are proven to be effective.
Personally, the folks I know who immigrated here are the most grateful, most patriotic (for America), and highly moral people I have ever met. If they want to pursue the American Dream, I don't think Americans should shut that door on them. If we fix our system, we could more easily discern these types of things and help them integrate into our society.
As for language, I'd love for them to speak English. But, I also think it would be a net positive if they could help Americans learn another language, say Spanish. The proven science between speaking multiple languages and academic performance would be a boon for our country.
I don't think where you were born should determine your entire life. I prefer to judge people individually by their heart and character. There are more than a few Americans who don't deserve the same rights and freedoms as some immigrants.
Posted on 2/18/17 at 5:18 pm to Scoop
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Also, Mr. Short Sighted, if we were to legitimize illegals and put them on the books, their ability to offer cheap manual labor would instantly be negated because their labor would be subject to the same stipulations and regulations as any other employee on the books
Not necessarily. There are unique provisions, particularly in agriculture, that are not that way. To circumvent the minimum wage, workers are often paid a per box (or whatever) wage. Now, effectively, it is below minimum wage. Americans won't/don't work for that kind of wage, or in those working conditions. The only difference is, they are being paid off the books rather than on record. I'd rather have them on record and working legally.
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they don't demand the fuits and veggies themselves?
Their productivity far exceeds their increased demand for the product. Simple concept. They produce WAYYYYYY more than they consume.
Posted on 2/18/17 at 5:22 pm to 5thTiger
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I don't think Americans should shut that door on them.
Ok.
This tells me that you have no interest in having an honest conversation.
You are an idiot.
We are talking about illegal immigration. We are not talking about the people that go the legal, appointed route.
Posted on 2/18/17 at 5:23 pm to 5thTiger
The problem with illegal immigration is they don't go through the door to let us decide to welcome them in or shut it. They come in through the window and don't give us a chance to invite them in or politely decline.
Posted on 2/18/17 at 5:27 pm to Scoop
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We are not talking about the people that go the legal, appointed route.
Which takes years and is incredibly outdated...leading to increased illegal immigration. Fix the painstakingly slow process, and you wouldn't have nearly as many taking the illegal route.
Oftentimes, fleeing war, shitty governments, literal life and death situations is more important than going through a bogged down, slow, incredibly confusing process.
Fix the problems, not the symptoms.
Posted on 2/18/17 at 5:37 pm to 5thTiger
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Which takes years and is incredibly outdated...leading to increased illegal immigration. Fix the painstakingly slow process, and you wouldn't have nearly as many taking the illegal route.
Again, you make no sense. Is it your stance that the illegals want to be legal but are frustrated with the process of coming in legally and therefore decide to come in illegally?
If that is your stance, then wouldn't the people willing to come in illegally do so anyway if they were rejected from an expedited legal immigration process?
Nothing you say makes any sense.
Posted on 2/18/17 at 5:45 pm to Scoop
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Is it your stance that the illegals want to be legal but are frustrated with the process of coming in legally and therefore decide to come in illegally?
That isn't my stance, but rather coming straight from the horses mouth. They don't want to live in the shadows, but oftentimes the wait/process is too long/complicated. Given the chance, most illegals state they would use the legal system. But other influences and circumstances make the choice singular.
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If that is your stance, then wouldn't the people willing to come in illegally do so anyway if they were rejected from an expedited legal immigration process?
Cut down on the numbers coming illegally, then it becomes much easier (and have more resources to) stop those who shouldn't be allowed in. Would make ICE and related agencies jobs much easier..and I suspect make them more efficient and effective.
Posted on 2/18/17 at 5:45 pm to 5thTiger
What you are saying is akin to someone wanting $20,000 from a bank and taking the decision of the bank out of the equation. They could go the legal route and apply for a loan but that shite takes forever and the bank gets to decide if they are worthy of a loan based on multiple factors. Instead, they just go the illegal route and rob the bank.
This is essentially what you are saying.
This is essentially what you are saying.
Posted on 2/18/17 at 5:50 pm to Scoop
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What you are saying is akin to someone wanting $20,000 from a bank and taking the decision of the bank out of the equation. They could go the legal route and apply for a loan but that shite takes forever and the bank gets to decide if they are worthy of a loan based on multiple factors. Instead, they just go the illegal route and rob the bank.
This is essentially what you are saying.
Sorta, but some key components are missing. Those would be that the loan processors and tellers are swamped/overwhelmed by the sheer number of incredibly complicated loan apps, so the bank doesn't have any security, getting robbed all the time. Cut down on the number of apps, the more tellers etc. can focus on specific apps, and the bank can be freed up to hire more security which would prevent robbers.
Posted on 2/18/17 at 6:23 pm to joshnorris14
Highly unlikely but sure we can wait and see how long it takes for this study to be shown as flawed like the others CIS puts out.
Posted on 2/18/17 at 6:27 pm to joshnorris14
Build that wall, build that wall...... 
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