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re: The reaction to Trump’s Baltimore tweets are extremely racist
Posted on 7/29/19 at 10:44 am to AggieHank86
Posted on 7/29/19 at 10:44 am to AggieHank86
quote:I don't admit it because it is patently false.
I have not ignored it, Shorty. I have specifically acknowledged that it may well be effective. You may recall our discussion several days ago regarding “Rules for Radicals.” Whether you wish to admit it or not, you are basically using that work as your template.
What I described is a super common rhetorical tool that has likely been used in courtrooms you've been in 100s of times.
quote:I'm right.
effective or not, I see it as dishonest. You disagree. That is fine.
Sorry.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 10:45 am to AggieHank86
quote:What the frick does this have to do with anything in this thread?
The average Japanese in Japan is far more racist than any white person in America ... or perhaps even South Africa.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 10:47 am to ShortyRob
quote:It applies to the nonsensical notion that only White people can be racist under my analysis. Explicitly stated by several posters, and implied by you about three or four posts ago.quote:What the frick does this have to do with anything in this thread?
The average Japanese in Japan is far more racist than any white person in America ... or perhaps even South Africa.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 10:48 am to AggieHank86
If the vast majority of the public, for whatever retarded reason, has come to the conclusion that this is a red shirt..........and that if I call it blue, I'm racist........
I can either show them all the other things that must be "red" if this shirt is red............or just intransigently keep saying, "but it's blue!!!!"
One of those things will work.
The other will not.
I can either show them all the other things that must be "red" if this shirt is red............or just intransigently keep saying, "but it's blue!!!!"
One of those things will work.
The other will not.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 10:51 am to AggieHank86
quote:Um, I implied no such thing............ever.
It applies to the nonsensical notion that only White people can be racist under my analysis. Explicitly stated by several posters, and implied by you about three or four posts ago.
My entire argument in this thread is simply that you are arguing for unilateral disarmament under the ridiculous notion that demonstrating what is true if X is true is "dishonest" and pretending you aren't familiar with the rhetorical concept as a COMPLETELY VALID TOOL you almost certainly have used yourself in courtrooms or seen used.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 11:01 am to ShortyRob
quote:Really?quote:Um, I implied no such thing............ever.
It applies to the nonsensical notion that only White people can be racist under my analysis. Explicitly stated by several posters, and implied by you about three or four posts ago.
quote:
Because his ENTIRE argument in this thread benefits exactly ONE group AND.......more importantly, is EXACTLY what that group has hoped the right would keep doing for decades.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 11:06 am to AggieHank86
quote:Did you seriously not understand that was referring to the fact that your APPROACH of unilaterally disarming benefits ONE group(the left)?
Because his ENTIRE argument in this thread benefits exactly ONE group AND.......more importantly, is EXACTLY what that group has hoped the right would keep doing for decades.
I mean, come on man. Read fricking better. Sheesh
Posted on 7/29/19 at 11:11 am to AggieHank86
quote:
Racists exist at every point on the political landscape, whether leftist or right, whether totalitarian or libertarian (though a rarity in the latter). None of which is applicable to the comments regarding Baltimore, Which I had understood to be the subject of this thread.
This is simply an example to prove the point....
An alien from outerspace lands on Earth in Baltimore. It has no concept of what "race" even is. It's never even seen different skin colors of human beings. In fact, let's assume it's color-blind. And amazingly and conveniently, it speaks English.
Suddenly, a black person walks up to the alien. The alien turns to them and says, "Wow, this place is a shithole." And the black person goes, "You're such a racist!"
Which one of them is considering skin color in their statements?
And is that not an irrational attitude towards race as something other than simply a genetic trait?
And is that not a prejudice and discriminant?
Ergo, people calling Trump "racist" for his comments about Baltimore, which had zero connotation or context involving race, are in fact the only one's considering race in the entire equation. And, they are the ones with the irrational attitude about skin color other than it simply being a genetic trait. And, they are the ones, therefore, being prejudicial and discriminant towards race.
Hence, they are the racists, not Trump or his comments.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 11:13 am to BeefDawg
So, you define “racism“ as meaning “perceiving racism where no racism exists.“
OK.
OK.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 11:13 am to ShortyRob
quote:
I feel like we're watching a boxing match where Hank is ref.
One dude keeps kicking the other dude in the balls and Hanks looks at the dude who just got kicked and says, "this would really be a better fight if you both agreed not to kick each other in the balls".
Then, first dude kicks guy in the balls AGAIN!
Hanks looks back to the dude just got kicked and says, "you're really showing him!!!"
Nailed it. Further, Hank doesn’t really see it as “ball kicking” as much as unfortunately targeted upward leg motions.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 11:14 am to BeefDawg
quote:
An alien from outerspace lands on Earth in Baltimore. It has no concept of what "race" even is. It's never even seen different skin colors of human beings. In fact, let's assume it's color-blind. And amazingly and conveniently, it speaks English.
Suddenly, a black person walks up to the alien. The alien turns to them and says, "Wow, this place is a shithole." And the black person goes, "You're such a racist!"
Which one of them is considering skin color in their statements?
See Hank, you need to think on this level to play on the P-T board. Let go of the indoctrination.
Good stuff, BeefDawg!
Posted on 7/29/19 at 11:15 am to AggieHank86
quote:NO! That is NOT what he is saying. Read it again.. and think "traits"
So, you define “racism“ as meaning “perceiving racism where no racism exists.“
Posted on 7/29/19 at 11:16 am to AggieHank86
quote:Awww Hank.
So, you define “racism“ as meaning “perceiving racism where no racism exists.“
Going Cathy Newman ain't a good look
Posted on 7/29/19 at 11:17 am to ShortyRob
quote:
Then, first dude kicks guy in the balls AGAIN!
why in the hell can I not upvote this post 47 more times?
Posted on 7/29/19 at 11:18 am to Vacherie Saint
quote:I should have added that in my boxing analogy, it's a team event.
Nailed it. Further, Hank doesn’t really see it as “ball kicking” as much as unfortunately targeted upward leg motions.
So, after 10 straight matches of team A winning after delivering multiple blows to the balls and team B diligently not kicking them back in the balls because to do so would be unfair...........Hank tells the 11th fighter from team B that he really needs to avoid kicking the other guy in the balls.
At some point, Team B can only logically conclude that Ref Hank is on Team A's side
This post was edited on 7/29/19 at 11:20 am
Posted on 7/29/19 at 11:20 am to JPinLondon
quote:“Considering skin color“ is not necessarily racism. It is that simple. It may be bigotry. It may be racial prejudice. It may be one of any number of things. But, by definition, it is not racism.quote:See Hank, you need to think on this level to play on the P-T board!
Suddenly, a black person walks up to the alien. The alien turns to them and says, "Wow, this place is a shithole." And the black person goes, "You're such a racist!"
Which one of them is considering skin color in their statements?
Unless you take Shorty’s route and allow the other side to re-define the words in the English language.
If “thinking on the level of the PT board” mandates discarding logic and engaging in poor reasoning,” I will decline.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 11:20 am to BeefDawg
quote:
Ergo, people calling Trump "racist" for his comments about Baltimore, which had zero connotation or context involving race, are in fact the only one's considering race in the entire equation. And, they are the ones with the irrational attitude about skin color other than it simply being a genetic trait. And, they are the ones, therefore, being prejudicial and discriminant towards race.
Bottom line up front, they scream racism whenever they have no argument. It's quite obvious and only the weak-minded morons that worship them believe it. Talk about not being able to think for yourself, they are ridiculous.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 11:21 am to ShortyRob
quote:Well, team B has won six of the last ten matches, going back to 1980.
I should have added that in my boxing analogy, it's a team event.
So, after 10 straight matches of team A winning after delivering multiple blows to the balls and team B diligently not kicking them back in the balls because to do so would be unfair...........Hank tells the 11th fighter from team B that he really needs to avoid kicking the other guy in the balls.
This post was edited on 7/29/19 at 11:26 am
Posted on 7/29/19 at 11:22 am to AggieHank86
quote:Oh just fricking stop it.
Unless you take Shorty’s route and allow the other side to re-define the words in the English language.
Society DOES define words. Not books.
Books reflect society's definition. THAT is why the BOOKS change over time.
You're just being fricking obstinate at this point. You're not stupid.
If 100 people are in a room and 99 of them define a word a particular way, it really doesn't fricking matter whatsoever that the 1 dude has a book that defines it differently.
Welcome to real life
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