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The People's republic of Vermont has thrown single payer into the trash heap
Posted on 12/19/14 at 8:38 pm
Posted on 12/19/14 at 8:38 pm
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Vermont Gov. Peter Shumlin on Wednesday dropped his plan to enact a single-payer health care system in his state — a plan that had won praise from liberals but never really got much past the framework stage.
“This is not the right time” for enacting single payer, Shumlin said in a statement, citing the big tax increases that would be required to pay for it.
Shumlin faced deep skepticism that lawmakers could agree on a way to pay for his ambitious goal and that the feds would agree to everything he needed to create the first state-based single-payer system in 2017.
And that was all before Shumlin, a Democrat, almost lost reelection last month in one of the country’s most liberal states. And it was before MIT economist Jonathan Gruber, the now notorious Obamacare consultant who also advised Vermont until his $400,000 contract was killed amid the controversy, became political poison.
Shumlin had missed two earlier financing deadlines but finally released his proposal. But he immediately cast it as “detrimental to Vermonters.” The model called for businesses to take on a double-digit payroll tax, while individuals would face up to a 9.5 percent premium assessment. Big businesses, in particular, didn’t want to pay for Shumlin’s plan while maintaining their own employee health plans.
“These are simply not tax rates that I can responsibly support or urge the Legislature to pass,” the governor said. “In my judgment, the potential economic disruption and risks would be too great to small businesses, working families and the state’s economy.”
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But but but I thought socialized medicine was free!!!!???
Props to the Shumlin for understanding that hitting his state's businesses with a double digit tax increase would have been an act of pure dumbassery.
The old hippies who live in the Vermont, with their beards that are meant to resemble Karl Marx, are not happy about that.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 8:53 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Posted on 12/19/14 at 8:58 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Let this be a lesson to delusional liberals that nothing tangible in life is ever free. Someone has to pay for that commodity somehow. Even healthcare is a commodity.
This should tell you that single payer doesn't have a shot in hell of succeeding in this country if fricking Vermont doesn't want to do it.
This should tell you that single payer doesn't have a shot in hell of succeeding in this country if fricking Vermont doesn't want to do it.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 9:55 pm to Sentrius
States can't do it because states can't run at a deficit forever. And that's all single payor is. Deficits forever.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 10:05 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Single payer would require taking all the money currently paid to insurers and turning it in as tax money. You can't have single payer at the same time you have employer paid health insurance.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 10:41 pm to LSUFanHouston
Sorry, dp
This post was edited on 12/19/14 at 10:52 pm
Posted on 12/19/14 at 10:51 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Single payer would require taking all the money currently paid to insurers and turning it in as tax money. You can't have single payer at the same time you have employer paid health insurance.
What would you rather: Single payer, and thus single option, or insurance companies, where you have an option? Problem with single payer, especially run by the government, is if it's not covered, you can forget about it. With insurance companies, you can change plans or switch companies.
As an example, I was taking care of a guy with a chronic foot wound. I ordered a special ointment that would help with healing because nothing else has worked. He has Medicaid. They won't pay for vascular studies, they won't pay for compression stockings, and they wouldn't pay for this ointment. Instead, they told me to go to the government website and pick from a list pre-approved (and not requiring authorization) substitutes. Well, this ointment is the only of it's kind on the market, cause all the others were taken off by the government, for one reason or another. I picked something that may help, according to their instructions, and they still wouldn't pay for it. It's much easier to deal with insurance companies, where I can actually talk to someone and explain the situation, and usually get approval.
Another thing about dealing with government. To schedule an outpatient elective surgery, almost every insurance company does not require a prior authorization. With the government, the authorization process takes 2 weeks, and they demand all clinical data. This is even true for a screening colonoscopy - one of those preventative things that Obama harped on.
Posted on 12/20/14 at 2:03 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
I met him last year. Wonderful man. Really inspiring personal story as well. Not a liberal, but am a huge Shumlin fan.
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