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The Dutch have this climate change thing figured out

Posted on 6/18/17 at 9:14 am
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
40056 posts
Posted on 6/18/17 at 9:14 am
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From a Dutch mind-set, climate change is not a hypothetical or a drag on the economy, but an opportunity. While the Trump administration withdraws from the Paris accord, the Dutch are pioneering a singular way forward.


The Dutch are 100% right that climate change is an opportunity and the Dutch are right to embrace it. However, the NYT is completely wrong to compare the Dutch's Delta Works Project and other flood protection measures with Trump pulling out of the PCA. The Netherlands' attitude was developed almost a century before the PCA and 50 years before climate change was a thing. Maybe if the NYT pulled its head out of its own arse it could see the flaw in their "science denier" logic because even if the PCA was 100% successful the earth is still going to get hotter and the seas will still rise.

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To the Dutch, what’s truly incomprehensible, he added, is New York after Hurricane Sandy, where too little has been done to prepare for the next disaster. People in the Netherlands believe that the places with the most people and the most to lose economically should get the most protection.

The idea that a global economic hub like Lower Manhattan flooded during Hurricane Sandy, costing the public billions of dollars, yet still has so few protections, leaves climate experts here dumbfounded.

Mr. Molenaar, Rotterdam’s climate chief, summed up the Dutch view: “We have been able to put climate change adaptation high on the public agenda without suffering a disaster in many years because we have shown the benefits of improving public space — the added economic value of investing in resilience.

“It’s in our genes,” he said. “Water managers were the first rulers of the land. Designing the city to deal with water was the first task of survival here and it remains our defining job. It’s a process, a movement.

“It is not just a bunch of dikes and dams, but a way of life.”
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The "climate experts" in the Netherlands are dumbfounded because they think that American "climate experts", the democratic party, green activists, etc actually care about addressing the problem. However, that is not the case. The American "climate experts", the democratic party, etc don't care about preventing the next Hurricane Sandy or reducing the impact of the next megadrought in the American west; they care about wealth redistribution, government subsidies, and using climate change as a political tool. Maybe if the dems, greenies, "climate experts", etc stopped trying to shame their political opponents into supporting regulations that won't do anything to help protect us or save the planet, and started focussing on building the projects that the we will need to lessen the effects of climate change (i.e. the Ike Dike in Houston, the NYC flood barrier, desalination plants in Cali, etc) they might actually find support for that.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
64064 posts
Posted on 6/18/17 at 9:19 am to
NYT should visit the leaders in AGW prevention. Venice has led the charge for centuries but yet no credit.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123743 posts
Posted on 6/18/17 at 9:26 am to
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The American "climate experts", the democratic party, etc don't care about preventing the next Hurricane Sandy or reducing the impact of the next megadrought in the American west; they care about wealth redistribution
Actually redistribution was the theme of the Paris Accord as well. That was and is the problem.
This post was edited on 6/18/17 at 9:32 am
Posted by BamaScoop
Panama City Beach, Florida
Member since May 2007
53781 posts
Posted on 6/18/17 at 9:29 am to
Climate change is a way to steal money from taxpayers and most of you fricking idiots are too stupid to see it.
Posted by Deuces
The bottom
Member since Nov 2011
12350 posts
Posted on 6/18/17 at 9:30 am to
Climate change is an unproven, propagandized effort from the globalist liberals to take away more freedoms from the world and expand their power.
This post was edited on 6/18/17 at 9:31 am
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
40056 posts
Posted on 6/18/17 at 10:03 am to
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Climate change is a way to steal money from taxpayers and most of you fricking idiots are too stupid to see it.



No shite but that doesn't change the fact that Cali almost went dry, Hurricane Sandy flooded parts of NYC, Houston is sitting duck if a Hurricane Katrina type storm heads its way, or the fact that those things are just going to get worse if we don't prepare for them.
Posted by bencoleman
RIP 7/19
Member since Feb 2009
37887 posts
Posted on 6/18/17 at 10:09 am to
This is why nobody supports it. It's always been a scam.
Posted by bencoleman
RIP 7/19
Member since Feb 2009
37887 posts
Posted on 6/18/17 at 10:12 am to
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No shite but that doesn't change the fact that Cali almost went dry, Hurricane Sandy flooded parts of NYC, Houston is sitting duck if a Hurricane Katrina type storm heads its way, or the fact that those things are just going to get worse if we don't prepare for them



The Paris accord does nothing to alleviate any coastal flooding whatsoever. It's simply a money and power grab.
Posted by TupeloTiger
Tupelo,Ms.[via Bastrop,La.]
Member since Jul 2004
4340 posts
Posted on 6/18/17 at 10:16 am to
We should not spend our money overseas to foreign countries. We should spend it on America only. No redistribution anymore. Get the willing Corps of Engineers to dredge canals to divert the rising water to where it is needed. They already have plans and meetings to do so, but the Democrats oppose it. What selfish craziness. California farming, etc. needs the desalted water. Let's do it.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
71968 posts
Posted on 6/18/17 at 10:21 am to
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No shite but that doesn't change the fact that Cali almost went dry, Hurricane Sandy flooded parts of NYC, Houston is sitting duck if a Hurricane Katrina type storm heads its way, or the fact that those things are just going to get worse if we don't prepare for them.
I agree with you, but the issue is so politicized that directing the money to actually improving those situations is an impossibility.

If you could get an iron clad guarantee that the money would be spent on those areas, rather than feel good bullshite, I would support this entirely.

At the same time, I would want thorough studies showing the projected positive impact of said actions prior to their implementation.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
40056 posts
Posted on 6/18/17 at 10:23 am to
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The Paris accord does nothing to alleviate any coastal flooding whatsoever. It's simply a money and power grab.



I agree 100% and I am happy that POTUS pulled out. The only reason I mentioned the PCA in the OP was to make fun of how ignorant the NYT is.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
40056 posts
Posted on 6/18/17 at 10:32 am to
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I agree with you, but the issue is so politicized that directing the money to actually improving those situations is an impossibility.



Not really. President Trump doesn't care about the deficit and liberals would love to spend money saying that they are protecting citizens from climate change. Projects like the Ike Dike in Houston or the NYC storm surge barrier could get support. The only project(s) that would have trouble would be the desalination plants.

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If you could get an iron clad guarantee that the money would be spent on those areas, rather than feel good bullshite, I would support this entirely.



Some of the feel good bullshite does some good. Protecting and restoring the La wetlands protects NOLA and south La, protecting the everglades helps secure Miami and south Fl's water supply. They just need to limit the feel good bullshite projects to things that will actually make a difference.

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At the same time, I would want thorough studies showing the projected positive impact of said actions prior to their implementation.



We do not need anymore studies. The issues have been studied to death, but if you need more evidence just look at the St. Petersburg seawall and loop (those ruskies killed 2 birds with one vodka bottle with that project), the Netherland's Delta Works, the storm surge barrier in Venice, etc to see the positives impacts.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
71968 posts
Posted on 6/18/17 at 10:33 am to
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They just need to limit the feel good bullshite projects to things that will actually make a difference.
If they make a difference, they aren't feel good bullshite.
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