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The biggest issue that my leftist friends now realize they ignored

Posted on 11/17/16 at 8:22 am
Posted by ballscaster
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Posted on 11/17/16 at 8:22 am
I don't normally talk about politics except on this board, but in election years I get into it a little more because it's the religion of most of my friends, and they haven't let up on the idea that racism/sexism/thisism/thatism/ismismism is what got Trump elected. There's one factor I bring up to them that makes them stop and say "Oh. Well yeah, that makes sense."

I tell them something like: "Like it or not, the majority of voters in this country didn't want Obamacare to begin with, and most of those people really didn't want tax money to pay for abortions, and none of them enjoyed their premiums increasing this year, and a lot of them actually can't afford those increases. If you can't empathize with that, nobody has a reason to empathize with anything you're saying."

In case anybody wondered what gets talked about during happy hour in America's biggest city and biggest Democrat hub. This is the one issue I've found that gets the "Oh, I never really thought about that" look.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 11/17/16 at 8:27 am to
Most of my leftist friends are just informed enough to share an "Occupy Democrats" or "The other 98%" meme on facebook. Talking to them about actually relevant issues is like trying to explain Fig Newtons to Louis C.K.'s kid.
Posted by Haydo
DTX
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 11/17/16 at 8:27 am to
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the majority of voters in this country didn't want Obamacare to begin with, and most of those people really didn't want tax money to pay for abortions, and none of them enjoyed their premiums increasing this year, and a lot of them actually can't afford those increases


I bring up points along these lines a lot as well and typically get the same responses.

I am pro-choice. However, I understand and respect those who are pro-life for whatever reason you may have. And completely agree that $0 tax dollars should be allowed to go towards abortions.
Posted by Ricardo
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Posted on 11/17/16 at 8:29 am to
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Posted by Mrtommorrow1987
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Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 11/17/16 at 8:29 am to
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Fig Newtons


Was named after a town in New Hampshire not Sir Isaac Newton
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Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 11/17/16 at 8:30 am to
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I don't know many good people that would have an abortion.
Trust me: you do.
Posted by Ricardo
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 11/17/16 at 8:32 am to
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Posted by LSUwag
Florida man
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 11/17/16 at 8:34 am to
I find it nearly impossible to have an intelligent discussion with a liberal. They are ignorant on issues and resort to name calling when they lose a discussion.
Posted by zatetic
Member since Nov 2015
5677 posts
Posted on 11/17/16 at 8:34 am to
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"Oh, I never really thought about that" look


Why democracy is bad and founders never intended it.

Posted by Mindenfan
Minden
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 11/17/16 at 8:35 am to
quote:

New Hampshire
Massachusetts
Posted by Radiojones
The Twilight Zone
Member since Feb 2007
10728 posts
Posted on 11/17/16 at 8:36 am to
When you get down to it people vote with their wallets.
Posted by LSUTIGER in TEXAS
Member since Jan 2008
13604 posts
Posted on 11/17/16 at 8:37 am to
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his will sound bad, but I don't know many good people that would have an abortion
im guessing you dont know many sexually active 18-30 year old females then
Posted by AUbused
Member since Dec 2013
7770 posts
Posted on 11/17/16 at 8:38 am to
quote:

I tell them something like: "Like it or not, the majority of voters in this country didn't want Obamacare to begin with, and most of those people really didn't want tax money to pay for abortions, and none of them enjoyed their premiums increasing this year, and a lot of them actually can't afford those increases. If you can't empathize with that, nobody has a reason to empathize with anything you're saying."


This is true. However, I'd say as a counterbalance to this, quite a few people probably like Obamacare because the rate hikes do not affect them much given the percentage cap and subsidy. Quite a few people around the poverty line will likely be worried about what will happen to their premiums when the subsidies are gone.
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 11/17/16 at 8:40 am to
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I find it nearly impossible to have an intelligent discussion with a liberal. They are ignorant on issues and resort to name calling when they lose a discussion.
Paint with a narrower brush and you'll find it easier. The left and right are both more intellectually diverse than they give each other credit for.
Posted by Taurus
Loozianna
Member since Feb 2015
4955 posts
Posted on 11/17/16 at 8:42 am to
Newsflash: The BIGGEST reason that Trump won was because Clinton is one unlikable bitch.

Think about it....women voted for a "pussy grabber" over that bitch.

Game over.
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Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
57712 posts
Posted on 11/17/16 at 8:43 am to
It's easier to say," I survived 8 years of Obama, and you will also survive Trump."
Posted by Wolfhound45
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Member since Nov 2009
120000 posts
Posted on 11/17/16 at 8:46 am to
There are many others but that is a start. Bottom line, Progressives are totalitarian fascists. Statists. Everything requires a centralized solution. And they never consider the implication of their centralized decision making. It wasn't because they made a bad decision, it was because (fill in the blank - Republican resistance, not enough money, etc).
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 11/17/16 at 8:49 am to
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Bottom line, Progressives are totalitarian fascists. Statists. Everything requires a centralized solution. And they never consider the implication of their centralized decision making. It wasn't because they made a bad decision, it was because (fill in the blank - Republican resistance, not enough money, etc).
From my experience, this is mostly true.
Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
54201 posts
Posted on 11/17/16 at 8:50 am to
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but I don't know many good people


Let's give credit to where credit is due - females. You and I are included in the people category. Pretty hard for you and I to have an abortion.
Posted by Ricardo
Member since Sep 2016
4840 posts
Posted on 11/17/16 at 8:56 am to
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