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Some interesting callers on the "Savage Nation" this afternoon concerning Las Vegas.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 6:31 pm
Posted on 10/4/17 at 6:31 pm
I went out for my after work run and decided to stream/ listen to Michael Savage, it had been awhile since I listened to him because the local AM affiliate in KC dropped him a few months ago.
Michael played an audio clip from the night of the shooting and I have to say it does sound like there are two different caliber weapons being shot and sometimes they are being shot simultaneously, 1-2 short bursts that sound like an semi automatic and then an 8-10 second continuous stream of bullets. Then he takes a phone call from an eyewitness who gives only her 1st name which I think was Gail.
The woman corroborates what I heard in the audio clip that Savage had just played. She said when the shots started they thought they were coming from the west which would be where the hotel is located so she started running south and to the east of the venue grounds, a lady who was running with her was struck in the abdomen and severely injured and she claims the bullet came from a different direction than the Mandalay Hotel.
She thought there was two shooters because at times there was two distinct sounds occurring at the same time. She also said other witnesses were also confused on where to run because it seemed like sometimes they were in crossfire. Anyway Savage asked her if law enforcement had interviewed her and she said she had told her story to CBS news but not to any investigators, Savage told her to just disappear, basically don't draw any attention to yourself. Lol!
Then another woman calls in who worked at one of the local hospitals and she had a friend who was injured with shrapnel in the hand. This woman's friend had a similar story to the 1st caller, she also thought there was more than one shooter because of the different sounds of the gunfire.
I checked Savage's website and found the woman caller but I can't find the audio clip of the gunfire which I would like to hear again just to analyze it closer.
Savage Nation caller claims she heard two different guns firing together during Las Vegas massacre
Michael played an audio clip from the night of the shooting and I have to say it does sound like there are two different caliber weapons being shot and sometimes they are being shot simultaneously, 1-2 short bursts that sound like an semi automatic and then an 8-10 second continuous stream of bullets. Then he takes a phone call from an eyewitness who gives only her 1st name which I think was Gail.
The woman corroborates what I heard in the audio clip that Savage had just played. She said when the shots started they thought they were coming from the west which would be where the hotel is located so she started running south and to the east of the venue grounds, a lady who was running with her was struck in the abdomen and severely injured and she claims the bullet came from a different direction than the Mandalay Hotel.
She thought there was two shooters because at times there was two distinct sounds occurring at the same time. She also said other witnesses were also confused on where to run because it seemed like sometimes they were in crossfire. Anyway Savage asked her if law enforcement had interviewed her and she said she had told her story to CBS news but not to any investigators, Savage told her to just disappear, basically don't draw any attention to yourself. Lol!
Then another woman calls in who worked at one of the local hospitals and she had a friend who was injured with shrapnel in the hand. This woman's friend had a similar story to the 1st caller, she also thought there was more than one shooter because of the different sounds of the gunfire.
I checked Savage's website and found the woman caller but I can't find the audio clip of the gunfire which I would like to hear again just to analyze it closer.
Savage Nation caller claims she heard two different guns firing together during Las Vegas massacre
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Posted on 10/4/17 at 6:42 pm to Bass Tiger
The echoes and reflected/refracted sounds in that area of open terrain bordered by high rises makes it difficult to draw a definite conclusion without some serious time consuming audio analysis.
Not gonna say either way conclusively at this time but I would take the additional shooter stuff with a grain (shaker?) of salt.
Same thing with the eye witness reports of supposed other muzzle flashes from various windows. So many lights, so much panic, again with reflection/refraction, not to mention stage lighting getting knocked around in the panic.
There a lot of possibles, not a lot of probables. Kind of like the Ancient Aliens stuff: could it be? is it possible? Sure, it's possible, just not probable.
Not gonna say either way conclusively at this time but I would take the additional shooter stuff with a grain (shaker?) of salt.
Same thing with the eye witness reports of supposed other muzzle flashes from various windows. So many lights, so much panic, again with reflection/refraction, not to mention stage lighting getting knocked around in the panic.
There a lot of possibles, not a lot of probables. Kind of like the Ancient Aliens stuff: could it be? is it possible? Sure, it's possible, just not probable.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 6:46 pm to Bass Tiger
Eye witness accounts are notoriously inaccurate.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 6:50 pm to Sidicous
That's the thing- is not just a rare scenario, but a rare scenario nond of us are well trained to evaluate AND anyone at the scene was level 10 amped up.
The easiest answer is it's the single shooter with multiple types of weapons, two windows pointed two ways plus a variety of surfaces to echo off plus a ton of potential light anomalies-- if you get an audio expert to say otherwise then sure, let's talk. If it's some random dude calling into the radio? Well, random dudes tend not to be the sharpest and I wouldn't listen to him for most other complex issues either.
The easiest answer is it's the single shooter with multiple types of weapons, two windows pointed two ways plus a variety of surfaces to echo off plus a ton of potential light anomalies-- if you get an audio expert to say otherwise then sure, let's talk. If it's some random dude calling into the radio? Well, random dudes tend not to be the sharpest and I wouldn't listen to him for most other complex issues either.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 7:04 pm to NoSaint
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The easiest answer is it's the single shooter with multiple types of weapons, two windows pointed two ways plus a variety of surfaces to echo off plus a ton of potential light anomalies-- if you get an audio expert to say otherwise then sure, let's talk. If it's some random dude calling into the radio? Well, random dudes tend not to be the sharpest and I wouldn't listen to him for most other complex issues either.
I hear ya, but the caller said she was there and when she was interviewed by CBS news she got a mention from Sarah Huckabee during a press briefing so can't really go with the "random dude". The audio clip that Savage played before the caller is the one I want to hear again. I heard the short bursts of the semi automatic weapon and then the longer continuous stream of fire that lasts minimum 5-6 seconds and maybe as long as 8-10 seconds, that's why I want to hear it again so I can measure the length of the continuous fire. The guns shown in the hotel photos are not going to give more than a 5-6 second continuous fire without a belt or drum.
The other part of her story that was interesting is the woman who was shot behind the caller, and was facing the same direction (south, and the hotel was west of the caller) but was hit according to the caller not in the side but in the front side of her body in the abdomen.
This post was edited on 10/4/17 at 7:06 pm
Posted on 10/4/17 at 7:09 pm to Bass Tiger
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The other part of her story that was interesting is the woman who was shot behind the caller, and was facing the same direction (south, and the hotel was west of the caller) but was hit according to the caller not in the side but in the front side of her body in the abdomen.
If the victim was behind the caller while both were running, then explain how the caller knows which direction the victim was facing.
And have you ever watched a woman running vigorously? The hip anatomy of women are for birthin babies not for running. They swivel almost 90 degrees forward when the thigh moves forward. This alone would account for the "hit in the side" from a layperson.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 7:10 pm to Bass Tiger
Not that these people are lying but with a heart rate of 250 and drowning in cortisol and adrenaline I'm not sure they knew exactly what the hell was happening.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 7:11 pm to Bass Tiger
Why did the guy bust 2 windows out?
This makes no sense to me if only one shooter.
I see no advantage in doing so. The windows were not so far apart as to present different areas to shoot at.
He could cover all targets from one window.
This makes no sense to me if only one shooter.
I see no advantage in doing so. The windows were not so far apart as to present different areas to shoot at.
He could cover all targets from one window.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 7:14 pm to Bass Tiger
Honestly enough tall building for sound to bounce off of. Very confusing and hard to judge how many shooters and where they are. Even the police weren't initially sure which hotel they were coming from. If you listen to the tape that is clear.
Dallas police officers that were ambushed and murdered last year had similar issues.
Dallas police officers that were ambushed and murdered last year had similar issues.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 7:39 pm to Bass Tiger
DNA and finger prints on the guns, etc. will tell the story.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 8:02 pm to Bass Tiger
Because of this:
It's hard to say this:
Makes them any more reliable. And unless you are saying they have any related training or experience they are still a random person.
If you look around next time you are walking around in a crowded setting- how many people around you do you trust to accurately take in, process, and accurately relay conclusions from complex data in a high pressure situation?
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Not that these people are lying but with a heart rate of 250 and drowning in cortisol and adrenaline I'm not sure they knew exactly what the hell was happening.
It's hard to say this:
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but the caller said she was there and when she was interviewed by CBS news she got a mention from Sarah Huckabee during a press briefing so can't really go with the "random dude".
Makes them any more reliable. And unless you are saying they have any related training or experience they are still a random person.
If you look around next time you are walking around in a crowded setting- how many people around you do you trust to accurately take in, process, and accurately relay conclusions from complex data in a high pressure situation?
This post was edited on 10/4/17 at 8:03 pm
Posted on 10/4/17 at 8:10 pm to Bass Tiger
Clearly we can see fire coming from the 32nd floor and also from around the 4th floor. The Main Stream Media is peddling this narrative that there was only one shooter (Paddock). For sure all the evidence is not in yet, but the more this story unfolds the more I see some disturbing scenarios developing.
Those poor people on the ground, I can't even imagine the horror they experienced.
Glad we have Jeff Sessions heading the DOJ. Even better that James Comey is out at the FBI.
Saw a summary of the referenced Michael Savage segment on the massacre. A lot of questions need answers.
Those poor people on the ground, I can't even imagine the horror they experienced.
Glad we have Jeff Sessions heading the DOJ. Even better that James Comey is out at the FBI.
Saw a summary of the referenced Michael Savage segment on the massacre. A lot of questions need answers.
This post was edited on 10/4/17 at 8:19 pm
Posted on 10/4/17 at 8:14 pm to Tiger985
quote:Two different fields of fire;
Why did the guy bust 2 windows out?
This post was edited on 10/4/17 at 8:15 pm
Posted on 10/4/17 at 8:19 pm to Sidicous
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If the victim was behind the caller while both were running, then explain how the caller knows which direction the victim was facing.
And have you ever watched a woman running vigorously? The hip anatomy of women are for birthin babies not for running. They swivel almost 90 degrees forward when the thigh moves forward. This alone would account for the "hit in the side" from a layperson.
I don't know, I believe the caller said the woman who was shot was behind her but they were all heading the same direction, I'm more interested in the audio with the actual gunfire that Savage played. If the continuous fire was longer than 6-7 seconds it did not come from a slide fire/bump fire modified AR-15. That modification allows a ROF from 425 up to 800 rounds per minute, in other words the clips that are installed on the guns in the hotel photos are maybe 30-60 round clips and listening to the continuous fire on the audio that Savaged played the clips in the hotel photos would have lasted 3-6 seconds.
This is the gun with the large capacity stick, I not sure what size that is 50-60? 100? I don't know.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 8:20 pm to Wolfhound45
The Sheriff stated early on it was one shooter. They seem to be careful to not release info unless it is factual.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 8:31 pm to chity
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DNA and finger prints on the guns, etc. will tell the story.
In one of the photos of the shooter, wasn't he wearing gloves, or at least a glove on one hand? I'm assuming he had gloves on both prior to using the pistol.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 8:34 pm to Bayou
There's interesting side by side photos of Paddock, one where's he's with a lady and he has the shot glass with his eyes closed, in that photo there appears to be the number 13 on his neck, is it a tattoo? The other picture is his hotel suicide and the number 13 is not visible on his neck so either it was not a tattoo or the picture in the hotel is not far enough down his neck to see the 13.
Paddock's side by side photos, one with possible tattoo and the other where it's not visible
Paddock's side by side photos, one with possible tattoo and the other where it's not visible
Posted on 10/4/17 at 8:36 pm to Wolfhound45
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Two different fields of fire;
I asked this in another thread, were there reports from anyone who saw a broken window prior to the start of the shooting? Seems like it would take a few seconds to bust one of those windows. Then he had to go to another room to break the other one. Or did he break one and shoot then go to the other and break it and shoot again?
Posted on 10/4/17 at 8:36 pm to chity
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DNA and finger prints on the guns, etc. will tell the story.
Ballistics from the victims should determine how many different weapons were used.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 8:41 pm to DingLeeBerry
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I asked this in another thread, were there reports from anyone who saw a broken window prior to the start of the shooting? Seems like it would take a few seconds to bust one of those windows. Then he had to go to another room to break the other one. Or did he break one and shoot then go to the other and break it and shoot again?
I guess the man was obviously a complete lunatic but why would someone who is going to do this kind of shite get different caliber weapons? Keep it simple and have 10 of the same model that are reliable and use the same rounds rather that several different calibers and types of weapons.
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