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Sick Charlie Guard given permanent residence so he can come US for healthcare
Posted on 7/19/17 at 6:01 am
Posted on 7/19/17 at 6:01 am
WTF is this?!?!
Charlie Gard is given legal permanent residence in US by Congress so 'he can fly to the States for world class treatment
This is unsustainable under the model. The model that is now obvious Republicans and Dems want is single payor or no payor free healthcare for all.
I feel for this family, but explain how this jives, who pays for this child's care, why is this child any different than some kid suffering from something and not getting the care that's its family wants in any other country?
Daily mail
Folks we are moving toward healthcare as a universal right, "free" for all and open to anyone worldwide.
Charlie Gard is given legal permanent residence in US by Congress so 'he can fly to the States for world class treatment
This is unsustainable under the model. The model that is now obvious Republicans and Dems want is single payor or no payor free healthcare for all.
I feel for this family, but explain how this jives, who pays for this child's care, why is this child any different than some kid suffering from something and not getting the care that's its family wants in any other country?
Daily mail
quote:
Charlie Gard has been given legal and permanent residence in the US by congress in order to allow him to fly to America for treatment. Jeff Fortenberry, Republican U.S. Representative for Nebraska, tweeted: 'We just passed amendment that grants permanent resident status to #CharlieGard and family so Charlie can get the medical treatment he needs.'
Folks we are moving toward healthcare as a universal right, "free" for all and open to anyone worldwide.
This post was edited on 7/19/17 at 6:04 am
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Posted on 7/19/17 at 6:03 am to Covingtontiger77
they want to use the poor thing as a lab rat
but hey, they might discover a major medical breakthrough, so there's that
but hey, they might discover a major medical breakthrough, so there's that
Posted on 7/19/17 at 6:06 am to TrueTiger
That's not my point. Actions like this show that Repubs want to take healthcare reform off the table and just like Dems want single payor or no (because it's a toxic issue they can't win) payor for all. Which is fine, but at least have balls and come out and say it
This post was edited on 7/19/17 at 6:10 am
Posted on 7/19/17 at 6:12 am to Covingtontiger77
That is a big stretch by you.
Congress seeing one high profile story and deciding to help does not = all of congress endorsing single payer.
Congress seeing one high profile story and deciding to help does not = all of congress endorsing single payer.
This post was edited on 7/19/17 at 6:14 am
Posted on 7/19/17 at 6:13 am to Covingtontiger77
I'm not real sure what the frustration is. He's finally being given the legal right to leave to seek a higher level of care and his parents have raised over a million dollars to pay for his care. The Vatican has offered help. The resources are there.
As far as how this fits in with the establishment fight for universal healthcare, you're correct it absolutely doesn't, but they don't care, nor do their base. Most of their base is likely too stupid to connect the dots.
I'm not sure why this case is getting the headlines versus what I would assume are a decent amount of at least somewhat similar cases. His condition is extremely rare, but I'd imagine there's plenty of different rare cases that have played out similarly, but haven't been reported like this.
As far as how this fits in with the establishment fight for universal healthcare, you're correct it absolutely doesn't, but they don't care, nor do their base. Most of their base is likely too stupid to connect the dots.
I'm not sure why this case is getting the headlines versus what I would assume are a decent amount of at least somewhat similar cases. His condition is extremely rare, but I'd imagine there's plenty of different rare cases that have played out similarly, but haven't been reported like this.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 6:17 am to Covingtontiger77
I am pretty sure I heard the parents already have raised close to 2 million in go fund me private funds so I doubt this would turn into a case of the family sucking up government money. Not to mention typically with these experimental cases a lot of times the private hospital will donate their own funds as part of "research". Hell, by the time this is over, if the socialist U.K. Gov. Actually allows the parents to take the kid over here, I wouldn't be surprised if you have a full blown reality show out of it on the TLC channel. Sure as shite beats "my 600-lb life". Trust me I understand their is plenty to be outraged by the healthcare debacle but this isn't one of those times.
This post was edited on 7/19/17 at 6:24 am
Posted on 7/19/17 at 6:18 am to SG_Geaux
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That is a big stretch by you. Congress seeing one high profile story and deciding to help does not = all of congress endorsing single payer. This post was edited on 7/19 at 6:14 am
I really don't see it as a stretch at all. You don't find it odd that Republicans can't do anything on healthcare and all of a sudden they can get enough support to bring this sick child here for...healthcare?
This action by congress is emblematic of the real issue that Repubs have to figure out for themselves: is healthcare a right? By this action with Charlie guard it tells me tha they feel just like the Dems that yes it's a right for us and for the rest of the world.
This post was edited on 7/19/17 at 6:20 am
Posted on 7/19/17 at 6:21 am to Covingtontiger77
C'mon bruh.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 6:22 am to Covingtontiger77
This is idiotic, even for you 
Posted on 7/19/17 at 6:22 am to Covingtontiger77
quote:
You don't find it odd that Republicans can't do anything on healthcare and all of a sudden they can get enough support to bring this sick child here for...healthcare?
Not at all considering that healthcare law is going to affect trillions of dollars and this one kids care will be minuscule since the parents have raised millions on their own.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 6:23 am to DabosDynasty
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His condition is extremely rare, but I'd imagine there's plenty of different rare cases that have played out similarly, but haven't been reported like this
This. Where does it end? I'm sue we can find thousands of people worldwide with conditions that would like to come here for better treatment than their home country. But how many is enough? How many can the system support? If you open this pandora a box for one why not all?
Posted on 7/19/17 at 6:37 am to Covingtontiger77
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If you open this Pandora's box for one, why not all?
Ask the big government universal healthcare systems.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 6:42 am to Covingtontiger77
quote:
You don't find it odd that Republicans can't do anything on healthcare and all of a sudden they can get enough support to bring this sick child here for...healthcare?
Actually, it can be seen the other way too. It can be used to spotlight what is wrong with single payer. The government calls the shots right up to evaluating life or death. How will the "Keep government out of my healthcare choices" crowd square that?
Posted on 7/19/17 at 6:50 am to Covingtontiger77
quote:
That is a big stretch by you. Congress seeing one high profile story and deciding to help does not = all of congress endorsing single payer. This post was edited on 7/19 at 6:14 am
I really don't see it as a stretch at all. You don't find it odd that Republicans can't do anything on healthcare and all of a sudden they can get enough support to bring this sick child here for...healthcare?
This action by congress is emblematic of the real issue that Repubs have to figure out for themselves: is healthcare a right? By this action with Charlie guard it tells me tha they feel just like the Dems that yes it's a right for us and for the rest of the world.
Aside from the fact that your analysis is just warped, you're missing the main point which is this: parents have the ultimate right to seek the best care they can find. Their child, their decision. The fact that the government could tell parents that they have to let their child die is obscene.
If you want to connect this to single payer, there's your link. By letting him come to the US, this administration is actually taking a stand against that very principle of giving government that power.
This post was edited on 7/19/17 at 6:51 am
Posted on 7/19/17 at 6:53 am to Covingtontiger77
Most important thing right now is for this kid to get better. That's all that matters at this point
Posted on 7/19/17 at 6:55 am to Covingtontiger77
quote:Um. I'm reasonably sure his parents plan to pay for it with their own money.
This is unsustainable under the model.
Just sayin
Posted on 7/19/17 at 6:57 am to ShortyRob
What's the point of this thread?
The government isn't paying for Charlie's care.
That's been the whole point of this exercise since the story first broke.
The parents have raised the money themselves.
The government isn't paying for Charlie's care.
That's been the whole point of this exercise since the story first broke.
The parents have raised the money themselves.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 7:05 am to ShortyRob
Bottom line: this decision is a big frick you to those who want government to decide who lives and who dies. There's just no helping the OP if he can't see that.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 7:14 am to Covingtontiger77
It's privately funded. I also don't know of any other cases where a government is actively obstructing treatment in a case where inaction guarantees death.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 7:16 am to BamaGradinTn
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Bottom line: this decision is a big frick you to those who want government to decide who lives and who dies. There's just no helping the OP if he can't see that.
Well. I mean. I agree with the premise that no government or insurance company should be obligated to just heap dollar after dollar on something that has a super low rate of success, if any success at all.
BUT. And this is important.
frick the government being able to tell a person that THEY can't heap dollar after dollar on shite with a low rate of success.
If some person want's to spend a billion trying to save a family member with a .001% chance of success, unless that billion is causing harm, they should be able to. I mean, no one has argued these parents are unfit.
If that was the case, it would be another story.
This post was edited on 7/19/17 at 7:19 am
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