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Should suicide be "free will" and allowed in the USA?
Posted on 1/28/17 at 5:00 pm
Posted on 1/28/17 at 5:00 pm
This post is not meant to belittle anyone who has attempted or had a family member, nor it meant to minimize suicide
There are no Federal laws prohibiting suicide attempts. A handful of states have common law and maybe two have laws on the books. Never are these laws enforced as a crime. There are no laws about expressing a desire to kill oneself
However, suicidal ideation, intent, etc is one of the very few cases where the government can intervene and hold a person against their will, often for up to 15 days or more when the person is not even accused of breaking the law. The person is still able to refuse treatment, but simply remains held against his or her will. A person's liberty is effectively on hold. BTW, emergency certificates, (PEC, OPC, CEC, 5150, etc) are legal documents from legal statutes.
With that being said, should suicide be "allowed" without government interference? Should a person be free to take his or her own life, especially if no one else is harmed? What about someone who has a terminal illness and is in much pain and is suicidal? Okay. What about a person who has depression or another mental disorder and is in so much mental anguish and just wants to end it? Or even a person who has no mental disorder, but just does not want to live anymore. Should the government step in on the suicidal person's behalf?
I am not advocating for or against free will as it relates to suicide.
There are no Federal laws prohibiting suicide attempts. A handful of states have common law and maybe two have laws on the books. Never are these laws enforced as a crime. There are no laws about expressing a desire to kill oneself
However, suicidal ideation, intent, etc is one of the very few cases where the government can intervene and hold a person against their will, often for up to 15 days or more when the person is not even accused of breaking the law. The person is still able to refuse treatment, but simply remains held against his or her will. A person's liberty is effectively on hold. BTW, emergency certificates, (PEC, OPC, CEC, 5150, etc) are legal documents from legal statutes.
With that being said, should suicide be "allowed" without government interference? Should a person be free to take his or her own life, especially if no one else is harmed? What about someone who has a terminal illness and is in much pain and is suicidal? Okay. What about a person who has depression or another mental disorder and is in so much mental anguish and just wants to end it? Or even a person who has no mental disorder, but just does not want to live anymore. Should the government step in on the suicidal person's behalf?
I am not advocating for or against free will as it relates to suicide.
This post was edited on 1/28/17 at 5:17 pm
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Posted on 1/28/17 at 5:01 pm to LSUTANGERINE
Yes
Posted on 1/28/17 at 5:01 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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and allowed in the USA?Posted
Can't be stopped so not much of a issue for me as far as the legal aspects.
Posted on 1/28/17 at 5:02 pm to LSUTANGERINE
Yes. Less fricked up people being a drain on society..
Posted on 1/28/17 at 5:02 pm to joshnorris14
yes, and encouraged for libtards
Posted on 1/28/17 at 5:03 pm to LSUTANGERINE
yes and you should lead by example
Posted on 1/28/17 at 5:03 pm to LSUTANGERINE
In most states, it is illegal to attempt suicide. It is not illegal to be successful during that attempt.
Posted on 1/28/17 at 5:04 pm to GIbson05
You're a piece of shite.
Posted on 1/28/17 at 5:05 pm to TidenUP
I think most people who 'attempt' suicide just want attention.
Posted on 1/28/17 at 5:05 pm to goatmilker
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Can't be stopped so not much of a issue for me as far as the legal aspects.
Many many folks actively suicidal suffering from mental disorders hell bent on killing themselves have been sent to hospitals. They have been released without suicidal ideation and have never attempted again.
Posted on 1/28/17 at 5:06 pm to LSUTANGERINE
It depends on the person's state of mind. The reality is that most suicidal people are not of sound mind and judgement when they actually commit the act.
Posted on 1/28/17 at 5:06 pm to LSUTANGERINE
People who kill themselves should be subject to the full weight and penalties of the law.
Posted on 1/28/17 at 5:07 pm to LSUTANGERINE
Women have the right to kill their baby so they might as well have the right to kill their self too.
This post was edited on 1/28/17 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 1/28/17 at 5:08 pm to goatmilker
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Can't be stopped so not much of a issue for me as far as the legal aspects.
The majority of people who actively desire to kill themselves never succeed in doing so, largely because of societal efforts to stop and help them.
Posted on 1/28/17 at 5:08 pm to LSUTANGERINE
Assisted suicide should be legal provided they have had sufficient doctor input and mental evaluation with a waiting period of x days.
Posted on 1/28/17 at 5:08 pm to TidenUP
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In most states, it is illegal to attempt suicide. It is not illegal to be successful during that attempt.
Many states have decriminalized attempts. That being said, no one is ever charged with a crime when in states with attempts are on the books, unless they have harmed another, such as a fetus during an attempt.
What about the person who has not attempted, but just expresses a desire and intent to commit suicide? Government can and often does still intervene and hold the person against their free will
Posted on 1/28/17 at 5:09 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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There are no Federal laws prohibiting suicide or suicide attempts.
No shite because a) you can't enforce a successful attempt and b) it's simply cruel to prosecute them. They're going through immense suffering and if you prosecute them, then they'll successfully kill themselves.
Posted on 1/28/17 at 5:10 pm to Roger Klarvin
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It depends on the person's state of mind. The reality is that most suicidal people are not of sound mind and judgement when they actually commit the act.
I see that line of reasoning. But should persons be held against their will for not being in a right state of mind if they are not a danger to others or society?
Posted on 1/28/17 at 5:11 pm to weagle99
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I think most people who 'attempt' suicide just want attention.
Don't know about that but it seems it is a cry for help. Some just feel overwhelmed.
Posted on 1/28/17 at 5:12 pm to goatmilker
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Can't be stopped so not much of a issue for me as far as the legal aspects.
I'm sure you'll change your simply piece of shite tune once suicide inevitably affects your own life. Go up to a family that has suffered from this and tell them that. See if you aren't beaten within an inch of your life.
Eat shite, you fricking twat.
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