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kywildcatfanone
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re: Secession movements on the upsurge

I don't think succession is possible, but I do think a revolution by the American people is needed at this point.


Dizz
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re: Secession movements on the upsurge
What is on the up surge is people getting butt hurt when their candidate doesn't win and wanting to take all their toys and go home.



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RCDfan1950
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re: Secession movements on the upsurge
I suspect that 'secession' will manifest in and to the same degree, that Constitutional 'nullification' does. Particular legal agreements (Laws) lose their power, when said basis for agreement is infringed.

The very idea of a Federal *government* - and all the supposed power therein - is simply and 'agreement'. That agreement can dissolve in the space of a day. At that point, it would all come down to ENFORCING the (nullified) agreement...at the barrel of the gun. And in this particular nation/scenario...such an enforcement would be far less preferable than to just let the seceding States/regions go their way. Think...USSR.

The Fed's power is twofold...Military and Economic. The first - as a coercive power to manipulate secessionist regions - is a non-starter. The whole thing would explode into anarchy, with the population centers imploding within weeks, because of the impossibility of meeting basic needs due to a systematic breakdown. Think Katrina...on steroids.

The Economic power - the ability to the Fed to disperse money - is fast becoming a hollow power, but for the ability of our Fed to either BORROW OR PRINT. Both have imminent LIMITS; of the which are fast approaching. Thanks to exponentially-increasing government spending. Bottom line there...they've shot their wad.

If there is a continuation of Federal overreach which cuts at the very heart of the values and principles which have heretofore united our citizenry in agreement (consent) to a particular Law and governance...if policy like ObamaCare and people losing their care, their homes, their jobs, WHAT their children are taught in schools and churches, and ultimately their loved ones in a systematic collapse that many will and do BELIEVE that was strategically engineered (Cloward-Piven) as a means of "fundamentally changing this nation"....you can damn well book it the folk in the Red States will tell (what is left) of the Urban centers...to take a hike.

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theenemy
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re: Secession movements on the upsurge


A link to an article about Northern Colorado seceding from Colorado and becoming the 51st state for a thread about seceding from the country?

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Quidam65
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A link to an article about Northern Colorado seceding from Colorado and becoming the 51st state for a thread about seceding from the country?


Yeah I was wondering that too.

There is a big difference between the events in Colorado (where a portion of a state wants to become its own state, but still within the context of being part of the USA) and some of the talk surrounding Texas (whether or not it could survive as an independent nation).

The issues are vastly different.


Cajun Tigah
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re: Secession movements on the upsurge
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think yours might be too broad. The spark that ignited secession and the civil war was Lincoln’s election. It was what his campaign had promised to do in regards to slavery and states’ rights that made the south secede.
There is no major issue that sparks enough hatred among the people or any particular state government that would make this even a slightly viable or intelligent option. And all of these supposed upsurges in these movements are because of this administration.




Just because an event happened one way once, does not mean it will always follow that same course. Unrest is growing about what is going on in Washington, has been for a while. Obama could that last straw, or maybe he tried to go too far too fast.

I don't think secession is viable or even the right course of action. But, if enough people keep talking this way and more people become aware of what is going on, then maybe Washington could be reeled back in some before this really does become a shite storm.


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RCDfan1950
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re: Secession movements on the upsurge
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Yeah I was wondering that too. There is a big difference between the events in Colorado (where a portion of a state wants to become its own state, but still within the context of being part of the USA) and some of the talk surrounding Texas (whether or not it could survive as an independent nation). The issues are vastly different.


If you'll note in the OP, Q...I used the term "movements", as a generalization for a wave of popular reaction to Federalism and Constitutional overreach, in general.

Believe me or not...it won't be a single State that makes a move...it'll be a group with a common grievance and last-effort legal remedy. Check the Red on the electoral map, to envision the 'new nation'.

Hell, check out Baton Rouge. New incorporations, cities, school districts...polarization. It's the future dude. Good and responsible folk won't be forced to bear the burdens of the immoral and irresponsible. And both Nature and God...will back em up.

And I know 'which nation' you guys will choose.




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Meauxjeaux
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re: Secession movements on the upsurge
whoops, misread the statement.
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GREENHEAD22
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re: Secession movements on the upsurge
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The only state that would have a legitimate chance of successfully seceding would be Texas.


TX,LA,OK,AR would be a powerhouse.


RCDfan1950
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Even if the worst case secessionist scenarios were to be realized...Obama/World Socialists would have a major victory...fragmenting Capitalism/Individual Freedom into 'manageable' pieces. Divide and conquer.

I think they'll get their 7 year run at Secularist Utopia and herding cats. Then the 'dust' will settle into it's preferred place.

Whatever. Eternity is time enough to get it all in order.



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Tigah in the ATL
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re: Secession movements on the upsurge
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Secession
Ooo - it makes my dick hard just thinking about it.

Secession is political porn for idiots.
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Asgard Device
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re: Secession movements on the upsurge
Secession folks act like they aren't going to allow companies to sell, ship, or transmit goods, resources, and power to neighboring nations.



GREENHEAD22
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re: Secession movements on the upsurge
I am curious, for all who say it would never work. Is this due to it being uneconomical or bc US would use military to keep it from happening?


goldenbadger08
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re: Secession movements on the upsurge
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TX,LA,OK,AR would be a powerhouse.
Agreed.


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Asgard Device
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I am curious, for all who say it would never work. Is this due to it being uneconomical or bc US would use military to keep it from happening?


Im not saying to would or wouldn't work. Im just saying this notion that these conservative nations are going to prohibit their own international businesses from continuing to sell energy is ridiculous.

Unless, you think Texas would turn into Saudi Arabia where the government owns production.
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RCDfan1950
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re: Secession movements on the upsurge
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I am curious, for all who say it would never work. Is this due to it being uneconomical or bc US would use military to keep it from happening?



Here it is bro...like asking a beautiful woman...waay over your reach...out for a date. You just can not see it, won't attempt it, out of the question...and all because you just can't handle the REJECTION.

The absolute rejection of the Liberal worldview to the point of separation - much less the mechanism of violent revolt such as that our nation was FOUNDED ON - is flat out off the table for them. Like Beck says...they are "stuck in normal"...being unable to entertain even the possibility.

Truth hurts. "For they will love the one and hate the other...or cling to the one, and despise the other" (Biblical). And they think that Ole Book don't cut it!

Live and learn....toward Greater Love.



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GREENHEAD22
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re: Secession movements on the upsurge
I don't think anyone is saying they would prohibit it, that would be stupid and wouldn't happen.


SabiDojo
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re: Secession movements on the upsurge
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This is so stupid... The only state that would have a legitimate chance of successfully seceding would be Texas.



Oh, for shit's sake.


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Asgard Device
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re: Secession movements on the upsurge
Texas/La/OK seceding could actually benefit citizens in other states.

If its truly more economic freedom, fewer regulations, and less government that these states want then we will be able to purchase natural resources from Texas for cheaper than what we currently do now.


mahdragonz
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re: Secession movements on the upsurge
So how are these states going to handle their airspace?



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