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Republicans now have more than 2/3 of governor houses. Convention of states?
Posted on 8/3/17 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 8/3/17 at 3:43 pm
Does this mean anything for that? I know it starts in state legislatures but it's important for governors to follow through
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Posted on 8/3/17 at 3:44 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
It will never happen. Both sides like things just the way they are. 
Posted on 8/3/17 at 3:47 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Won't happen.
Republicans are all talk no action.
They love big government despite what they say during election time.
Republicans are all talk no action.
They love big government despite what they say during election time.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 3:51 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Republicans now have more than 2/3 of governor houses. Convention of states?
Very unlikely. No one wants that to happen except for a fringe types.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 4:01 pm to GumboPot
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Won't happen. Republicans are all talk no action. They love big government despite what they say during election time.
This idea of the establishment is actually very old and crosses into a lot of areas. I saw a show about a dentist in 1890's named Parker. People then just let their teeth rot out because they didn't want the pain of a pull.
This guy used whiskey and cocaine and became rich.
The Dentist Establishment took him to court and tried to get him shut down because they insisted that all dentists were equal. They failed.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 4:12 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Convention of States? It's needed, but IMO will never happen. At least not in my lifetime and I'm old. Too many states sucking on the government tit.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 4:14 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Not enough.
Republicans need at least 95% control of all states before they can pass any kind of bill.
Republicans need at least 95% control of all states before they can pass any kind of bill.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 4:26 pm to GumboPot
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Won't happen. Republicans are all talk no action. They love big government despite what they say during election time.
This is what depresses me the most. The old saying is 'Luck is when opportunity meets preparation'.
We have this once-in a lifetime chance to break outside of the Establishment and make some fundamentally positive corrections in how our government is run...
... problem is, the Republicans were TOTALLY unprepared when America gave them that opportunity.
Unlucky for us.
This post was edited on 8/3/17 at 5:03 pm
Posted on 8/3/17 at 4:32 pm to AustinTigr
I've said it before...
Trump will be the last republican I ever vote for. And there are many like me.
Trump will be the last republican I ever vote for. And there are many like me.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 4:34 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Would you seriously trust any politician currently in state local or federal to rewrite our constitution?
A convention of the states would lead to a disaster
A convention of the states would lead to a disaster
Posted on 8/3/17 at 4:37 pm to Loserman
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Would you seriously trust any politician currently in state local or federal to rewrite our constitution?
It wouldn't be a rewrite of the Constitution. It would be for either repealing or adding Amendments. ie, repeal the 17th, add an Amendment for term limits, etc.
It's the embedded function for States to get around a Congress that is unwilling or unable to push through or repeal an Amendment that has major support in the US.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 4:40 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:Obviously 2/3 of the legislatures is one of the ways a Constitutional Amendment can be proposed, but it seems important to having an amendment to propose first. What should they be proposing?
Republicans now have more than 2/3 of governor houses. Convention of states?
In addition, three-fourths is the other key number of states since that is necessary to actually pass the amendment. So that's an important consideration as well.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 4:42 pm to Centinel
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It would be for either repealing or adding Amendments.
The ability to amend in a convention of the states is the ability to completely rewrite.
What you hope would happen isn't what would likely happen.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 4:45 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
You can probably count on California to show up for COS. Word is they are going to vote on bailing out of the Union anyway. May as well put 'World Peace' on the Ballot as well.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 4:47 pm to Loserman
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The ability to amend in a convention of the states is the ability to completely rewrite.
What you hope would happen isn't what would likely happen.
There would be zero support for a complete rewrite. Either from the state governments or the populace.
Not to mention Article V specifically mentions Amendments:
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The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.
This post was edited on 8/3/17 at 4:50 pm
Posted on 8/3/17 at 4:47 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
These days, having an "R" behind your name means very little in this "put up or shutup" atmosphere.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 4:48 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Does this mean anything for that? I know it starts in state legislatures but it's important for governors to follow through
Yeah, the GOP controls both houses of Congress and yet ACA remains the law of the land despite the promise to repeal it multiple times in the last 9 years.
Ain't happening.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 4:56 pm to Loserman
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A convention of the states would lead to a disaster
It's currently running into the disaster area under as the system stands now where men in black robes make law and cuck politicians do nothing about it while sitting fat and happy on the corporate lobbyists gravy train.
That's a disaster.
BTW, the first and only convention of states turned out quite well and has lasted over 241 years. I support a second convention of states with the goal of getting us back on the path of a constitutional republic.
Furthermore, if you understood the constitutional thresholds to amend the constitution, you would understand that it would be FAR from a disaster. Quite healthy, actually.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 4:57 pm to Loserman
quote:There are unamendable provisions in the Constitution, although those probably aren't that much of an issue anyways.
The ability to amend in a convention of the states is the ability to completely rewrite.
In addition, it's not practical to think that the core parts of constitutions (e.g., Bill of Rights, government structure, many of the amendments) could garner enough support.
I mean isn't the 18th amendment (prohibition) the only amendment that has been repealed, and that amendment was quite a bit different in its purpose and function than the other ones.
The only amendments that could garner support for repeal in a Convention of States, in my opinion, would be the 16th (federal income taxes) and the 17th (direct elections of Senators).
I guess some of the amendments really aren't that hot-button and could be repealed or changed (presidential succession; congressional salaries; end dates for federal government positions), but I don't see those being important enough to even address.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 4:59 pm to buckeye_vol
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What should they be proposing?
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Impose Congressional term limits
Repeal the Seventeenth Amendment, returning the election of Senators to state legislatures
Impose term limits for Supreme Court Justices and restrict judicial review
Require a balanced budget and limit federal spending and taxation
Define a deadline to file taxes (one day before the next federal election)
Subject federal departments and bureaucratic regulations to periodic reauthorization and review
Create a more specific definition of the Commerce Clause
Limit eminent domain powers
Allow states to more easily amend the Constitution by bypassing Congress
Create a process where two-thirds of the states can nullify federal laws
Require photo ID to vote and limit early voting
I'd be happy with 2 of these.
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