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Rand Paul introduces sweeping reform of civil asset forfeiture laws

Posted on 3/17/17 at 3:46 pm
Posted by joeyb147
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 3/17/17 at 3:46 pm
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“The federal government has made it far too easy for government agencies to take and profit from the property of those who have not been convicted of a crime,” Paul’s statement read. “The FAIR Act will protect Americans’ Fifth Amendment rights from being infringed upon by ensuring that government agencies no longer profit from taking the property of U.S. citizens without due process.”
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Some have observed that if implemented, this legislation could be the most significant reform in decades. Heritage Foundation policy analyst Jason Snead writes at The Hill, “The bill, if passed, would be the most sweeping reform of abuse-prone federal civil forfeiture law since the 1980s.”
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Back then, Congress turned to civil forfeiture laws to empower law enforcement authorities to seize and forfeit the ill-gotten gains of drug kingpins, criminal organizations, and money launderers, as well as the property they used to commit their crimes. To encourage the use of this newly enhanced tool, Congress created the Assets Forfeiture Fund and allowed federal law enforcement agencies to keep the proceeds of successful forfeitures. The result? An exponential increase in forfeiture activities. In 1985, the first year the fund existed, it brought in just $27 million. In 2012, the value of forfeited assets was $4.3 billion. Today, more than 400 federal laws authorize the seizure of cash, cars, and homes for a range of alleged offenses, and allow forfeiture proceeds to be divided with state and local agencies through Equitable Sharing programs administered by the Treasury and Justice Departments.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
11083 posts
Posted on 3/17/17 at 3:47 pm to

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Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
66952 posts
Posted on 3/17/17 at 3:48 pm to
Nope, I don't see how this bill errodes civil liberties, pays off government employees, or makes congressmen rich, so it's DOA.
Posted by russellvillehog
Member since Apr 2016
9711 posts
Posted on 3/17/17 at 3:48 pm to
Sessions will be triggered as frick. Go rand.
Posted by Iosh
Bureau of Interstellar Immigration
Member since Dec 2012
18941 posts
Posted on 3/17/17 at 3:48 pm to
Fake libertarian Rand Paul thinks the federal government knows better than local police forces how to fight crime. Sad!

















lol jk

Posted by AggieDub14
Oil Baron
Member since Oct 2015
14624 posts
Posted on 3/17/17 at 3:49 pm to
Make American Government Small Again!

MAGSA!
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
98631 posts
Posted on 3/17/17 at 3:49 pm to
If law enforcement loses this revenue stream expect the amount of bullshite you get pulled over and ticketed for to increase sharply.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
23965 posts
Posted on 3/17/17 at 3:52 pm to
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Fake libertarian Rand Paul thinks the federal government knows better than local police forces how to fight crime. Sad!




I HATE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!






except when I need it to protect me from my local government.
Posted by Sidicous
Middle of Nowhere
Member since Aug 2015
17053 posts
Posted on 3/17/17 at 3:55 pm to
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If law enforcement loses this revenue stream expect the amount of bullshite you get pulled over and ticketed for to increase sharply.


Disagree.

If Law Encroachment loses the incentive to grab your car and anything else connected to you through the stop the LESS likely to be pulled over.

Forfeiture means a single stem, seed, improperly labeled aspirin, that vehicle is now property of the cops.
Posted by 14&Counting
Eugene, OR
Member since Jul 2012
37550 posts
Posted on 3/17/17 at 3:55 pm to
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Sessions will be triggered as frick. Go rand.
Posted by Paluka
One State Over
Member since Dec 2010
10763 posts
Posted on 3/17/17 at 4:03 pm to
I am glad to see Rand doing this. I think he has the President's ear and will be pushing harder on important matters as we move forward.
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 3/17/17 at 4:05 pm to
Lol at thinking reforming a federal law passed by Congress is somehow an example of big govt working.

Literally trying to fix a problem they caused.
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 3/17/17 at 5:17 pm to
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Rand fighting the good fight on this one. Doing gods work in the devils city.


This. he is actually growing on me.
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
32754 posts
Posted on 3/17/17 at 5:34 pm to
What's the compelling argument for keeping Civil Asset Forfeiture laws as is? I can't think of one.
Posted by TigernMS12
Member since Jan 2013
5527 posts
Posted on 3/17/17 at 5:36 pm to
But golden nugget told me that I needed to get over myself for supporting Rand.
Posted by TigernMS12
Member since Jan 2013
5527 posts
Posted on 3/17/17 at 5:38 pm to
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What's the compelling argument for keeping Civil Asset Forfeiture laws as is? I can't think of one.


The only CAF that I'm ok with is the taking of weapons/money/property used in connection with gang/drug activity AFTER a conviction and after due process to determine if the items to be sized are in fact connected to the unlawful activity.
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
32754 posts
Posted on 3/17/17 at 5:41 pm to
Right. Which I why I asked for a compelling argument for keeping them "as is." I think it's fair to confiscate money and property gained through convicted illegal activity. I just can't think of an argument for keeping a law that punishes people who are still considered innocent under the law.
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 3/17/17 at 5:43 pm to
Anyone who doesn't vote for this is either corrupt to the core or seriously misguided, ignorant and naive.

Sad thing is Trump will likely veto it if it makes it that far so hopefully they can get a veto proof majority with a majority of the democrats and enough republicans.
Posted by 9th life
birmingham
Member since Sep 2009
7310 posts
Posted on 3/17/17 at 5:43 pm to
I like it. That is some good sense legislation.
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 3/17/17 at 5:47 pm to
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The only CAF that I'm ok with is the taking of weapons/money/property used in connection with gang/drug activity AFTER a conviction and after due process to determine if the items to be sized are in fact connected to the unlawful activity.



Actually it should be after a conviction and ALL legal appeals in court are exhausted and there is no doubt at all about the defendant's guilt.
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