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CollegeFBRules
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Pro-Choice Poli-Board Members

Not a flame or debate, I swear. Just curious what is the motivating reason that you support women's choice in such matters: Is it because the fetus isn't viable, or because you think the government should not have the right to tell women what they can / can't do with their bodies?

Would you have a change in opinion if science / medicine develops the means to keep a fetus alive from conception to full term?

NOTE: NO ONE IS GOING TO CHANGE AN OPINION ON THIS MATTER BASED ON BOARD DISCUSSION. I DON'T WANT THIS TO BE THE USUAL PRO-LIFE / PRO-CHOICE PISSING MATCH.


CarrolltonTiger
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Would you have a change in opinion if science / medicine develops the means to keep a fetus alive from conception to full term?


WTF would science attempt to do such a thing?


VOR
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Is it because the fetus isn't viable


Well, I don't consider a zygote, blastocyst or an embryo to be the same thing as a more fully developed fetus. So for the first 10 weeks of pregnancy, I don't see the issue (unless we're talking about religious reasons). The first trimester is a no brainer for me. Second trimester starts to get dicey at some point. My personal cutoff is that I don't believe in the abortion of a sentient being.

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because you think the government should not have the right to tell women what they can / can't do with their bodies?


This, too. To a point.


CptBengal
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I am pro choice.

along a young woman with a child limits educational opportunities, as well as the future life of that child.

Im pro choice because that woman should have a CHOICE.

note that pro choice is NOT pro abortion


asurob1
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NOTE: NO ONE IS GOING TO CHANGE AN OPINION ON THIS MATTER BASED ON BOARD DISCUSSION. I DON'T WANT THIS TO BE THE USUAL PRO-LIFE / PRO-CHOICE PISSING MATCH.



good luck with that.



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MrCarton
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Is it because the fetus isn't viable, or because you think the government should not have the right to tell women what they can / can't do with their bodies?


Neither.

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Would you have a change in opinion if science / medicine develops the means to keep a fetus alive from conception to full term?



Nope.


CollegeFBRules
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Neither


Then what?


jclem11
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Im pro choice because that woman should have a CHOICE.


CptBengal
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anything that lives of the host and would perish without that host is a parasite, the choice is of the host to keep our destroy said parasite


Zed
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Is it because the fetus isn't viable, or because you think the government should not have the right to tell women what they can / can't do with their bodies?
Abortion in the early stages of pregnancy doesn't bother me. As the fetus develops and eventually becomes viable, I'm no longer comfortable with it. Up to viability I'm really not comfortable taking the decision away from women.


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Edearl Watson
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I'll just leave this here.

LINK


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Tiguar
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Pro-Choice because my reasons against it are religious in nature and I don't believe in federally regulating things based off of religion.

So,

Pro-Choice.

Anti-Abortion.
This post was edited on 3/16 at 8:41 pm


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MrCarton
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MrCarton
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My stance on pro choice really isn't about women, babies, or science.

Several points on criminalizing abortion:

Natural abortions occur every day, I know many women who have had them. Would this be manslaughter?

Should every pregnancy be evaluated by the government to determine that there was no intent to harm or abort a fetus?

What about women who live unhealthy lives, for instance, smoke, drink, overeat, drink sodas, during pregnancy? Criminal negligence? Who would determine healthy behavior v. negligence?

Would anti abortion legislation stop women from having abortions, or improve quality of life for children? I don't think so. I think it would reduce the quality and increase the expense of the procedure and create a black market, much like the criminalization of alcohol and drugs. Do not want.

There are more points along these same lines.

I think the concept of legal abortion has precedence in our society. We kill people legally every single day. In self defense, death penalty, war, drone strikes, accidents etc. So in my mind, the question becomes "at what point do we grant legal rights to a fetus?" How would government manage the defense or protection of the rights of an unborn fetus without simultaneously trampling on the rights of the parents?
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CollegeFBRules
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Appreciate you sharing.


catholictigerfan
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I won't argue but sometimes many pro choicers say the fetus isn't human reasons vary greatly on why they say it isn't human.


MrCarton
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Appreciate you sharing.



Sure. BTW, I added some points for clarification of my position to my above post.

Most people are shocked by my position on abortion because when I am not on the internet I appear to be a normal compassionate human . For me, it is an issue of practicality and a desire to preserve the maximum amount of liberty for the individual. I can't really reconcile anti abortion legislation with those concepts. While clearly there is a time in which a baby should have some legal protection, we already accept that the legal rights of a minor are fewer than those of a person considered an adult.



MrCarton
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I won't argue but sometimes many pro choicers say the fetus isn't human reasons vary greatly on why they say it isn't human.


I have heard a lot of these arguments, and I think they are a dead end for both sides. Our society has accepted that certain humans have fewer, or more limited rights than others based on their legal status. For instance, and incarcerated felon, or minors. I don't hold out a lot of hope on a scientific consensus on what constitutes a living human, because it can quite subjective.


catholictigerfan
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I think the concept of legal abortion has precedence in our society. We kill people legally every single day. In self defense, death penalty, war, drone strikes, accidents etc. So in my mind, the question becomes "at what point do we grant legal rights to a fetus?" How would government manage the defense or protection of the rights of an unborn fetus without simultaneously trampling on the rights of the parents?


this is a legit concern in this debate, and a women should never get punished for having a miscarriage if it is through no fault of her own.

Now there are some legal instances that are interesting like, if a women is clearly mistreating herself when pregnant could a husband have legal grounds to keep her in check.

Now Law and order isn't a great source for law, but I remember one episode where a women went on trial because she was an alcoholic and was pregnant and someone was trying to protect the fetus. I don't know the legal loopholes or legal language that would allow this but it is an interesting question no matter if legal or not.



Srbtiger06
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Personally: I don't support abortion. It has nothing to do with religion its just a personal view.

Politically: pro choice. I don't like it but I respect the viewpoints of others. Not a fan of government intervention but like VOR said, I struggle with it after the first trimester. That being said, a politician's view on the issue doesn't matter to me.


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