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boosiebadazz
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re: President Obama May Change His Mind On "Assault Weapons" Ban

that sharp split in 2012 is interesting



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I Love Bama
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re: President Obama May Change His Mind On "Assault Weapons" Ban
This issue really shows who lacks a functioning brain. This issue is black and white. There is no gray area at all. You're just an ignorant frick.


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He is a troll, don't feed the troll


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DaGarun
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dr smartass phd

Holy crap! What's the character limit on sigs again?


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BamaFan89
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But wait bamafan89 said its a made up term


You truly are willfully ignorant. "Assault rifle" and "assault weapon" are two different terms, in case you haven't noticed.


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Revelator
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Admin either needs to allow them or don't. Don't say they are banned and only zap the non believer threads.


I would agree with that.


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los angeles tiger
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So now its the magazines.




Juggs, Hustler and Penthouse?


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los angeles tiger
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re: President Obama May Change His Mind On "Assault Weapons" Ban


Dr. Smartass, you need an upgrade in title following that brilliant dissertation. You are now Reverend Doctor Smartass PhD.
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BRgetthenet
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I wasn't aware we were living in 1989.



There's alot of things you aren't aware of. You just aren't aware you're unaware.


thetempleowl
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Military assault rifles aren't even fully automatic. They are burst.


Actually, many consider burst a variant of automatic.

But this is not relevant to the discussion. I stated a definition of the US army. This definition existed before the m16 to which you likely refer to.

And your statement, if you were referring to the m16 would be incorrect a couple of different ways. First as stated above for these discussions, burst fire is considered a subset of automatic. Secondly, the initial versions of the m16 were selective fire either semi or full. I may be incorrect here, but my impression was that the m16 was semi/full till the m16a1e1 when they switched from to semi/burst.

The burst mechanism is a limiter on auto to conserve on ammo and make the shots more accurate.

Another type of classic assault weapon would be the ak. This is capable of both, as stated above, semi and full automatic. Not sure if they have changed to a burst or not.

The point remains that the assault rifle has a military definition that the current civilian model does not fit.

Please get your information correct.


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thetempleowl
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assault rifle =/= assault weapon


I never said it did.

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define assault weapon


An assault weapon is a legally created classification that was created by lawmakers that will do nothing to curtail ownership of these types of weapons because they can change them slightly so they no longer fit the classification, would now be considered legal, and would still look and function almost the same.

Thus I am not in favor of any assault weapon ban.

Nor am I in favor of enacting legislation for limiting freedom for something that happens extremely rarely.

I was simply stating that there was a definition for an assault rifle and that the civilian models did not meet it.


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thetempleowl
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false, selective fire means automatic.


What? Sorry, you would be incorrect. automatic means automatic. Selective fire means semiauto/auto. Otherwise they would just be auto.

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Selective fire weapons, by definition, have a semi-automatic mode, where the weapon automatically reloads the chamber after each fired round, but requires the trigger be released and pulled again before firing the next round. This allows for rapid and (in theory) aimed fire. In some weapons, the selection is between different rates of automatic fire and/or varying burst limiters. The selection is often by a small rotating switch often integrated with the safety catch or a switch separate from the safety, as in the British SA80 family. Another method is a weighted trigger, such as the Steyr AUG, which will fire a single shot when 8.8 – 15.4 pounds of weight is exerted on the trigger, and then become fully automatic when over 15.4 pounds of weight is applied. This is useful for emergency situations where a rapid volley of rounds is more effective for suppressing a close enemy rather than a single round burst. Some selective fire weapons offer a burst mode as the second option, where each pull of the trigger automatically fires a predetermined number of rounds (generally two or three), but won't fire any more until the trigger is pulled again. The current U.S. standard assault rifle, the M16A4, and the M4 carbine variant of this rifle fire a maximum of three rounds with each pull of the trigger in burst mode. In this design, it retains the count of previously fired rounds and may fire fewer than three rounds. Other designs reset the count with each trigger pull allowing a uniform three round burst as long as rounds remain. A common version of the Heckler & Koch MP5 submachine gun (widely used by SWAT teams and military special operations personnel) fires single shots, three-round-bursts, and automatically. A special variant uses a two-round-burst to minimize the chances of missing with a third round. Some automatic cannons have larger burst limiters to coincide with higher rates of fire.


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thetempleowl
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re: President Obama May Change His Mind On "Assault Weapons" Ban
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m-16's are 3 round burst. correct


They currently are. They used to be semi/auto and that was switched to semi/autoburst with I believe the m16a1e1. But perhaps someone with better knowledge here can double check this.

And this does not change the initial army definition of an assault rifle which was as given up by me and is the correct definition.

Doc, you stated I was wrong at least twice so far in this thread and you were wrong both times. When you say someone is wrong, you really should be more certain.

All of this does not change the fact that the civilian model ar15 would not fit the definition.

Btw, what was considered the first assault rifle or was at least a precursor to the modern day assault rifle was used by the germans during world war 2 and had a name that I would be incapable of spelling without looking it up...(at least I think this is correct. Historians (not doc) can perhaps double check me here as well.)


thetempleowl
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re: President Obama May Change His Mind On "Assault Weapons" Ban
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But wait bamafan89 said its a made up term


assault rifle vs assault weapon.

Also, please note that I stated clearly that the definition was one used by the army.

The civilian models do not fit it. Your thought of an assault weapon is a recent legally created term to ban certain weapons which did nothing but allow politicians to say they did something.



Bestbank Tiger
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re: President Obama May Change His Mind On "Assault Weapons" Ban
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dr smartass phd


Dude, seriously?


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Burt Reynolds
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re: President Obama May Change His Mind On "Assault Weapons" Ban
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Posted by BRgetthenet quote: I wasn't aware we were living in 1989. There's alot of things you aren't aware of. You just aren't aware you're unaware.

The most sensible thing I've heard today
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Burt Reynolds
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The civilian models do not fit it. Your thought of an assault weapon is a recent legally created term to ban certain weapons which did nothing but allow politicians to say they did something.

I was using the terms loosely as synonyms but gumpfan89 is just being nit picky


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Tiger n Miami AU83
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re: President Obama May Change His Mind On "Assault Weapons" Ban
Gotta admit, I don't give a frick one way or the other about an assault weapons ban.


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TigerFanInSouthland
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re: President Obama May Change His Mind On "Assault Weapons" Ban
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I thought this was important and vital to our safety. Does this mean Obama no longer cares about our safety?


Well, he's downsizing our military more than any president before him. What do you think?


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PuntBamaPunt
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re: President Obama May Change His Mind On "Assault Weapons" Ban
Copy and paste, it's as old as the internet itself.


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