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re: Pope warns media over sin of spreading fake news
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:42 pm to bhtigerfan
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:42 pm to bhtigerfan
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m Catholic also (not hugely devout), but I'm not a big fan of the current pope. He's a straight-up socialist. He needs to STFU about economic policies and stick to the religious stuff
Why? Does religion, morality, and philosophy not influence one's beliefs on politics, economics, justice, and society? It's absurd that the most important aspect of a Christian's life shouldn't influence these beliefs and their vision for an ideal society.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:44 pm to FreddieMac
No. social catholic teaching does not say pedaphelia is ok. This whole fake news thing started with pizzagate.
what if the pedaphelia stuff IS true? Based on his quote, truth shouldn't be discussed in the media if it's "nasty"
I don't want to continue smearing these people that seem to be pedophiles, but they have yet to defend themselves with anything other than silencing and in the past killing those seeking the truth. Why don't they offer a real defense? Allow an investigation to prove the claims untrue. Nope. Instead, they say it's fake news.
Better yet, they should defend themselves and file defamation lawsuits. Nope. Not doing that either.
what if the pedaphelia stuff IS true? Based on his quote, truth shouldn't be discussed in the media if it's "nasty"
I don't want to continue smearing these people that seem to be pedophiles, but they have yet to defend themselves with anything other than silencing and in the past killing those seeking the truth. Why don't they offer a real defense? Allow an investigation to prove the claims untrue. Nope. Instead, they say it's fake news.
Better yet, they should defend themselves and file defamation lawsuits. Nope. Not doing that either.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:56 pm to ironsides
That was my take too going into the article - they're gonna spin it. But then they quoted him:
"I think the media have to be very clear, very transparent, and not fall into - no offence intended - the sickness of coprophilia (obsession with excrement), that is, always wanting to cover scandals, covering nasty things, even if they are true,” he said.
"Even if they are true"???
I agree that smear tactics now days especially with elections have gotten out of hand - bringing up a past affair etc that has no current relevance or bringing up something you've already been proven innocent of - i.e. Sessions. But no one has proven this pedi thing not to be true and that is what started the fake news campaign. No one has investigated the deaths of the reporters who mysteriously died while investigating trafficking
It's possible he didn't know what they fully meant by fake news. Possible.
Ok so now I feel bad since it is possible
"I think the media have to be very clear, very transparent, and not fall into - no offence intended - the sickness of coprophilia (obsession with excrement), that is, always wanting to cover scandals, covering nasty things, even if they are true,” he said.
"Even if they are true"???
I agree that smear tactics now days especially with elections have gotten out of hand - bringing up a past affair etc that has no current relevance or bringing up something you've already been proven innocent of - i.e. Sessions. But no one has proven this pedi thing not to be true and that is what started the fake news campaign. No one has investigated the deaths of the reporters who mysteriously died while investigating trafficking
It's possible he didn't know what they fully meant by fake news. Possible.
Ok so now I feel bad since it is possible
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:59 pm to berrycajun
I warn pope over sin of his fake claim of being God's messenger.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:05 pm to Gaspergou202
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As a Catholic you can say or think anything you want about the pope. I'm Catholic and not a big fan of our current one! As a Catholic you are not supposed to publicly argue against Church doctrine. You may privately disagree with it and argue it with your priest, bishop, cardinal, or pope. Doctrine wise discouraging bearing false witness and spreading lies is sound. None of that determines if an individual story is true to false!
I was taught we aren't to speak negatively about the Pope because he's infallible and doing so is like speaking negatively about God who is all knowing and good. But whatever- that's an argument for another day.
Yes 10 commandments say thou shall not bear false witness. But he said "even if it's TRUE."
But it's possible he was referring to mud slinging smear tactics being sinful even if they are true. I get that.
maybe I jumped to conclusions and misinterpreted him, but I still have my doubts
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:06 pm to berrycajun
I can't believe the Pope is still a thing in 2016
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:12 pm to berrycajun
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:21 pm to berrycajun
I don't get the outrage. He's saying that the media is obsessed with muddaking (which they are) and that they should cover more positive stories of human kindness. Many on this board have often complained about the dangers of "gotcha" journalism. That's what the pope is decrying. The media focuses on stories that divide us and pit people against each other because it's exciting and gets ratings. However, all it really does is foster hatred and strife where there need be none. I join the Pope in calling for transparency, accountability, and accuracy, and an end to sensationalism, hyper partisanship, and gotcha journalism in media.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:23 pm to berrycajun
My friend who is super tinfoil hat claims that the conspiracy world says that this pope is the black pope. He is like the pope of the hidden satanic side of the elites, while he is the pope of the catholics.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:33 pm to berrycajun
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This whole fake news thing started with pizzagate.
what if the pedaphelia stuff IS true? Based on his quote, truth shouldn't be discussed in the media if it's "nasty"
Pizzagate is ridiculous. There is nothing to it. By saying what if it is true, you are demonstrating you are crazy.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:38 pm to berrycajun
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the sickness of coprophilia (obsession with excrement), that is, always wanting to cover scandals, covering nasty things, even if they are true
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:52 pm to berrycajun
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I was taught we aren't to speak negatively about the Pope because he's infallible and doing so is like speaking negatively about God who is all knowing and good.
This is a common misconception. Yes you should not speak negatively towards anyone as a general rule. If you were arguing with the pope I would not recommend calling him a stupid SOB. I would even more strongly recommending this to a judge in traffic court!
Infallibility is a special and extremely rare ability of the pope. Just because he says he doesn't like broccoli doesn't make eating broccoli a sin. Infallibility only happens in doctrine decisions where God through personal Divine revelation informs the leader of His Church His Will. The Church usually declares doctrine based upon scriptures (they were Divinely inspired), occasionally on the revelation of God's will to gatherings of Church fathers (like Vatican II), and most rarely Divine revelation to the pope.
God also reveals himself regularly to common people. Read how surprised St. Paul was! Possibly you. If you believe that you are Divinely inspired to do something that agrees with Church doctrine then you are strongly advised to do so! However if you find yourself in opposition to Church teaching, without the forcefulness of St. Paul's conversion, there is a procedure to follow. First you must gather information and advice from scripture AND knowledgeable clergy. You must think about it hard, and pray about it even harder. If at the end you still oppose doctrine, the Church will accept it. But you cannot publicly proclaim it. That would be leading others away from the Church and God's will. For example St. Paul received St. Peter's permission to absolve gentiles from dietary requirements and being circumcised.
I am not the Pope, nor am I a cleric. I strongly recommend you believe nothing I have written until you discuss any of it with your parish priest!!!
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:58 pm to berrycajun
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Pope warns media over sin of spreading fake news
let see, forgives those who murder their unborn children but says we need to avoid stories about potential pedophiles.
sounds about right
Posted on 12/7/16 at 2:15 pm to CAD703X
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let see, forgives those who murder their unborn children but says we need to avoid stories about potential pedophiles.
Where does he say we should avoid those stories?
His quotes from the article, which pulled from his interview with a Belgian Catholic newspaper:
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Francis told the Belgian Catholic weekly “Tertio” that spreading disinformation was “probably the greatest damage that the media can do” and using communications for this rather than to educate the public amounted to a sin.
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“I think the media have to be very clear, very transparent, and not fall into - no offence intended - the sickness of coprophilia, that is, always wanting to cover scandals, covering nasty things, even if they are true,” he said.
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“The means of communication have their own temptations, they can be tempted by slander, and therefore used to slander people, to smear them, this above all in the world of politics,” he said. “They can be used as means of defamation...”
“No-one has a right to do this. It is a sin and it is hurtful,” he said
Breaking news: Pope says slander is bad and the media should focus on news that educates the public about the truth. How do you people take issue with telling the truth? Surprised this even made it onto the Political talk aka the Trump Board.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 2:28 pm to berrycajun
Infallibility only applies with things to do with religious doctrine.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 2:50 pm to berrycajun
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I was taught we aren't to speak negatively about the Pope because he's infallible and doing so is like speaking negatively about God who is all knowing and good.
The Pope is only infallible when speaking ex cathedra. This has happened less than 5 times in 2000 years (most sources say it has only happened twice).
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 3:25 pm to LSUnation78
quote:Like pedophile priests
even if they are true
Posted on 12/7/16 at 4:01 pm to CAD703X
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quote: Pope warns media over sin of spreading fake news let see, forgives those who murder their unborn children but says we need to avoid stories about potential pedophiles. sounds about right
Forgiveness for murder is doctrinally sound if:
The murder realizes that they have committed a sin and that murder is wrong.
If the murder is sorry for the sin.
If the murder is seeking forgiveness.
If the murder confesses and asks for forgiveness from the Lord.
If the murder makes any reparation given or available.
If the murder is determined to sin no more.
The only thing new is that the Pope extended the right of forgiveness to the local clergy as an everyday process. You could give last rights to a murder and forgive their sins in God's name! With the numbers of abortions being performed today this is more of a housekeeping change and not doctrinal.
The same thing extends to all sins including pedophilia. The Church was right to forgive the truly penitent priests.
However the Church was wrong to shield these priests from proper earthly justice, and horribly wrong not to institute protections against future victims.
The worse part of this dark and evil episode may be all the souls led astray from the True Church by forces even more dark and evil that use this failure as a distraction.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 4:02 pm to jorconalx
quote:Other than that he is a human being and a head of state, no reason.
Explain to me why a Pope should have political views
Posted on 12/7/16 at 4:03 pm to berrycajun
quote:Not buying it.
silencing truth seekers on the pedophile ring.
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