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Posted on 11/21/16 at 9:11 am to kingbob
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You're not really repentant if you can't bring yourself to tell someone your sins in person.
It's my understanding that confessions were once public. In other words people confessed their sins to the church congregation asking God for forgiveness.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 9:12 am to tke857
Priests have always been able to forgive any sin (including murder, which the RCC views as equivalent to procured abortion), so this really isn't that big of a deal.
Whether the absolution "takes" is between the confessor and God.
Whether the absolution "takes" is between the confessor and God.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 9:17 am to tke857
I don't agree with abortion, but obviously it's a forgivable sin according to the Bible. Even though it's forgivable doesn't mean there won't be consequences that come from the sin.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 9:18 am to DupontsCircle
In Matthew 16:19 Jesus gives this authority over his Church to Peter: "Whatever you bind on Earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on Earth shall be loosed in heaven."
In Matthew 18:18, he gives the power to all the apostles: "Amen, I say to you, whatever you bind on Earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on Earth shall be loosed in heaven."
This singling out of Peter to bestow on him an authority which is later to be given to all the apostles shows Peter's preeminence within the apostolic college. What the apostles as a whole possessed as leaders of the Church, Peter possessed as an individual.
Of course, he, as the earthly head of the Church, also possessed powers which all the other apostles, even collectively, didn't possess: "I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven" (Mt 16:19).
In Matthew 18:18, he gives the power to all the apostles: "Amen, I say to you, whatever you bind on Earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on Earth shall be loosed in heaven."
This singling out of Peter to bestow on him an authority which is later to be given to all the apostles shows Peter's preeminence within the apostolic college. What the apostles as a whole possessed as leaders of the Church, Peter possessed as an individual.
Of course, he, as the earthly head of the Church, also possessed powers which all the other apostles, even collectively, didn't possess: "I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven" (Mt 16:19).
Posted on 11/21/16 at 9:18 am to udtiger
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Whether the absolution "takes" is between the confessor and God.
Exactly. Consider the priest your parole officer and God the parole board. If you're honest and contrite enough to confess your violations to your parole officer, he'll submit your application to the board. However, the board still has the final say so.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 9:19 am to Ton Chou
The fact that you believe that extends to men forgiving sins is ridiculous by any method of spiritual common sense.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 9:20 am to kingbob
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Consider the priest your parole officer and God the parole board. If you're honest and contrite enough to confess your violations to your parole officer, he'll submit your application to the board. However, the board still has the final say so.
Role of the Christ
Posted on 11/21/16 at 9:20 am to DupontsCircle
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extends to men forgiving sins is ridiculous
That is ridiculous and the Church never says men can forgive sins.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 9:21 am to SidewalkDawg
Priests cant forgive stealing a pack of bubble gum...Catholics like to ignore the word of God
This post was edited on 11/21/16 at 9:23 am
Posted on 11/21/16 at 9:21 am to GumboPot
The headline is priests can forgive abortion...tell me where I'm misinterpreting
Posted on 11/21/16 at 9:21 am to tke857
Only Christ forgives sin.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 9:22 am to DupontsCircle
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The headline is priests can forgive abortion...tell me where I'm misinterpreting
The media misstates Catholic (and in general Christianity) wrong all the time.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 9:25 am to DupontsCircle
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FWIW as a Protestant I believe all sins are forgivable by God. I still can't figure out what right a priest has to do it.
Part of it is a show of humility. You're humbling yourself before God by confessing your sins to His representative. It shows true contrition.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 9:25 am to tke857
Seems to me the Catholics have it easy navigating the changing culture. The Pope simply observes culture and adjusts doctrine accordingly. We Protestants don't have that luxury. At least not the ones that take scripture seriously.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 9:26 am to DupontsCircle
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FWIW as a Protestant I believe all sins are forgivable by God. I still can't figure out what right a priest has to do it.
Preparing for war, I hope?
Posted on 11/21/16 at 9:26 am to DupontsCircle
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The headline is priests can forgive abortion...tell me where I'm misinterpreting
The headline is wrong. The Pope reiterated that Priests can hear confessions on all sins, including Abortion, and perform the sacraments of confession and reconciliation on those sins. This is nothing new, but the media is trying to spin it as if the Church just ok'd abortion which it most certainly did not. Abortion is still a mortal sin like, murder and rape, that will doom one to hell if it goes unrepentant and unconfessed.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 9:27 am to bayoubengals88
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FWIW as a Protestant I believe all sins are forgivable by God. I still can't figure out what right a priest has to do it.
Until you have to look at another human in the eye and vocalize your worst sins, I question if you know what a contrite heart really feels like.
The Church in her wisdom knows the difference between someone saying, "Hey God, please forgive me", and someone that drives across town, asks to meet a priest, and says, "I want forgiveness and I have to put voice to what I've done."
Secondly, the Priest represents reconciliation with the Body of Christ, the rest of the Church. When you sin, you sin against God, but you also wound the Body of Christ to which you belong... you separate yourself from the faith community and often discredit it by your public actions. [How many times have you heard someone complain that Christians are hypocrites?]
Put it this way... if you called someone an 'a-hole', then went home... and Jesus is sitting in your living room and you say, "Jesus, forgive me, I called that person an 'a-hole'" Jesus would almost certainly say, "if you TRULY want forgiveness, go find that person and ask THEM for forgiveness." The Priest represents those sins where we can't 'go find the person' we've hurt.
It is spelled out clearly and logically in hundreds of books and websites... you guys would rather curse the darkness than light a candle and at least understand why the Church teaches what it does.
This post was edited on 11/21/16 at 9:34 am
Posted on 11/21/16 at 9:28 am to DupontsCircle
Straight from the catechism of the Catholic Church. Just pointing out what it says.
Reconciliation with the Church
1443 During his public life Jesus not only forgave sins, but also made plain the effect of this forgiveness: he reintegrated forgiven sinners into the community of the People of God from which sin had alienated or even excluded them. A remarkable sign of this is the fact that Jesus receives sinners at his table, a gesture that expresses in an astonishing way both God's forgiveness and the return to the bosom of the People of God.44
1444 In imparting to his apostles his own power to forgive sins the Lord also gives them the authority to reconcile sinners with the Church. This ecclesial dimension of their task is expressed most notably in Christ's solemn words to Simon Peter: "I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."45 "The office of binding and loosing which was given to Peter was also assigned to the college of the apostles united to its head."46
1445 The words bind and loose mean: whomever you exclude from your communion, will be excluded from communion with God; whomever you receive anew into your communion, God will welcome back into his. Reconciliation with the Church is inseparable from reconciliation with God.
Reconciliation with the Church
1443 During his public life Jesus not only forgave sins, but also made plain the effect of this forgiveness: he reintegrated forgiven sinners into the community of the People of God from which sin had alienated or even excluded them. A remarkable sign of this is the fact that Jesus receives sinners at his table, a gesture that expresses in an astonishing way both God's forgiveness and the return to the bosom of the People of God.44
1444 In imparting to his apostles his own power to forgive sins the Lord also gives them the authority to reconcile sinners with the Church. This ecclesial dimension of their task is expressed most notably in Christ's solemn words to Simon Peter: "I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."45 "The office of binding and loosing which was given to Peter was also assigned to the college of the apostles united to its head."46
1445 The words bind and loose mean: whomever you exclude from your communion, will be excluded from communion with God; whomever you receive anew into your communion, God will welcome back into his. Reconciliation with the Church is inseparable from reconciliation with God.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 9:32 am to tke857
I don't always agree with Pope Francis, but he's right about this. All sins can be forgiven by God. All sins.
The life, death, and resurrection of Jesus is the triumph over sin. Anyone who goes to God truly and sincerely seeking forgiveness will not be turned away.
The Church should not interfere with that process, nor should it shun sinners from the sacraments when they make mistakes and sin in life. In my opinion, the church should facilitate the bond between a person and his creator, and promote forgiveness, never to obstruct it.
The life, death, and resurrection of Jesus is the triumph over sin. Anyone who goes to God truly and sincerely seeking forgiveness will not be turned away.
The Church should not interfere with that process, nor should it shun sinners from the sacraments when they make mistakes and sin in life. In my opinion, the church should facilitate the bond between a person and his creator, and promote forgiveness, never to obstruct it.
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